AC induction motor - V/f control

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of an AC induction motor under conditions of voltage-to-frequency (V/f) control failure, specifically when the stator frequency drops below the rotor frequency. Participants explore the implications of this scenario on motor current, slip, and overall performance, with a focus on both theoretical and practical aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the stator frequency drops below the rotor frequency, the motor will attempt to return electrical power to its source, resulting in deceleration.
  • Another participant questions the slip under the proposed conditions and asks about the relationship between power and slip based on formulas.
  • A participant posits that if the rotor frequency is 60Hz and the stator frequency drops to 2Hz or 0Hz, the motor will generate a significant amount of current.
  • It is noted that if the frequency of the power supply drops close to zero without a corresponding voltage reduction, this situation is akin to connecting the motor to a DC power supply, which could lead to high current due to reduced internal inductance.
  • Further inquiry is made about whether the motor would still draw a large current if the frequency drop occurs rapidly while the motor is running, considering the production of counter-electromotive force (CEMF).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the implications of frequency drops on motor current, with no consensus reached on the exact outcomes or conditions under which significant current draw occurs.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the relationship between slip, power, and inductance without resolving the mathematical details or assumptions involved in these relationships.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in AC motor control, electrical engineering, and those studying the effects of frequency variations on motor performance may find this discussion relevant.

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What will happen if an ac inductions motor is running, an suddenly an error occurs in the voltage pr. hertz motor control so the stator frequency goes down below the rotor frequency for 1-2 sec?
 
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the motor will attempt to return electrical power to its source, decelerating as it does so.

Keep your thinking simple.
What would be the slip under the condition you postulate?
What do yur formulas tell you about power vs slip?
 
Okay thanks.
Let say the rotor frequency is 60Hz and the stator frequency suddenly become 2 Hz or 0 Hz(DC) in 1-2 sec the motor will generate a lot current?

Lets say your AC motor accelerate from stand still and your voltage and frequency is controlled properly, but suddenly the frequency (an error occur) is not proper compared to the voltage (V/f ratio). The stator frequency are still in front compared to rotor frequency. Do the AC motor draw a big current?
 
Condition of rotor is not important in this case. When the frequency of power supply drops close to zero without any voltage reduction, this case is same that you connect an ac motor to the dc power supply. Generally reduction of motor internal inductance due to frequency drop (Xl=2*pi*f) can be caused a big current.
 
Okay. if the this happens in 1 sec or less etc. Does the motor still draw a big current?

How about if this happens while the motor is running does it still draw a big current because now the motor produce CEMF? the inductance value does not only change by stator frequency.
 

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