AC refrigerant in cars,greenhouse effect reasoning

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R134a and R1234yf are two popular refrigerants, with R134a having a high Global Warming Potential (GWP) of 1430, while R1234yf has a significantly lower GWP of 4. The GWP measures how much energy a compound can absorb in relation to CO2 over a specific timeframe, with CO2 serving as a reference point set to 1. This means that GWP is not directly related to the amount of CO2 produced by a refrigerant, but rather its potential to contribute to global warming. Despite R1234yf containing more carbon atoms, its lower GWP indicates it has a much lesser impact on climate change compared to R134a.
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I'm a mechanical engineer and am learning about the different refrigerants used.
2 of them seem to be the most popular- R134a(C2H2F4) and R1234yf(C3H2F4).

Why is it that R134a is rated at a Greenhouse effect(GWP) of 1430 where R1234yf is rated at a GWP of 4?

Both refrigerants produce CO2,I assume.Won't R1234yf produce more of it considering it has more carbon atoms?
 
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It seems you are misunderstanding the concept of a GWP. I wasn't aware of how this rating is measured/calculated but a quick Google/Wikipedia excursion revealed that GWP is not related to the production of CO2 by a given compound, but is a measure of how much EM energy a given compound will absorb in a certain amount of time relative to the same mass of CO2. The CO2 appears to be arbitrarily set to 1 as a reference.

See the Wikipedia for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global-warming_potential
 
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