Accelerating expansion of the universe.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the accelerating expansion of the universe, specifically exploring alternative theories to dark matter and the traditional understanding of cosmic expansion. Participants propose various models and ideas regarding the forces at play in the universe's expansion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the "Meagors Stretching Universe Theory," suggesting that the universe's acceleration could be due to a combination of a central mass (a super-sized black hole) pulling inward and the expansion force from the Big Bang pushing outward.
  • Another participant challenges the idea by asserting that it implies an absolute center and edge to the universe, which contradicts current cosmological understanding.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the proposed theory does not require a center or edge, instead framing the acceleration as a result of a "sucking" force versus an "explosion" of space.
  • Further clarification is made regarding the forces involved, distinguishing between the slowing force from the Big Bang and a hypothetical "Big Scrunch" force that could create an illusion of expansion.
  • One participant critiques the complexity of introducing an external force acting on the universe, advocating for simpler explanations grounded in established physics.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of empirical observation and the logical inconsistency of forces arising from outside the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms behind the universe's acceleration, with no consensus reached on the validity of the proposed theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the proposed theories, such as the assumptions about the universe's structure and the implications of introducing external forces. These aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

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I was just reading an article about dark matter and the expansion of the universe and thorught it sounded like a bit of a bodge so I began thinking about what else could cause the acceleration and came up with this idea. Perhaps someone could tell me why it's wrong?

Is it not possible that the universe is being stretched by two forces not one. Firstly, a large growing mass (super-sized black hole) in the centre pulling things inwards at an ever accelerating speed and and secondly the remainder of the expansion force from the big bank pulling things at the extremities outwards.

I should like to call this "Meagors Stretching Universe Theory". Right, that's that solved, where do I get my Nobel prize?

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D. Meagor
 
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Ok Einstein,

I think you have been reading enough grown up books! Just kidding.

Your solution would then suppose an absolute center of Universe, which does not exist. It also supposes a define edge, which does seem to exist. Then an ever accelerating speed is a confusing theory, since you are mixing speed and acceleration. Finally, from our definition of our Universe, you Meagors Stretching Universe Theory could not exist, because of the outside of the Universe porperty of your second force.

Therefore, you will have to wait a little for your Nobel Prize.

Cheers
 
I'm probably fighting a losing battle here but anyway...

It doesn't need a centre or an edge to work, just as long as something is being stretched and you're within the stretched space when you perform the measurement.

I simply propose a kind of "sucking" vs an "explosion" to explain the acceleration and expansion of space.
 
I think I've explained myself badly here, One more try...

Force 1. Force from big bang which should be slowing due to gravity.
Force 2. The Big ScrunchTM force somewhere in the universe (doesn't matter where it's located.)

The big scrunch causes stars closest to move inwards faster than stars that are further away hence red shift and the illusion that the universe is expanding when really it's just being stretched in parts.

NB. I've shifted a space on my mantelpiece for that award.
 
If you apply Occam's Razor principle then you might not end up with your theory.

Having to imagine a force from outside our Universe that is pulling our Universe apart seems terribly complicated to me. I prefer good old physics rules to understand what is going on in our Universe.

Cheers
 
As physicists, we tend to think in terms of cause and effect. We observe and collect data, derive principles and mathematical relationships, and make and test predictions. When predictions fail to conform to observations, we collect more data, derive new principles and mathematical relationships and make and test more predictions. It's a never ending process. Observing forces arising from 'outside' our universe is illogical. The universe is, by definition, inclusive of all that is possible to observe.
 
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