Acceleration assumed in the wrong direction again

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the correct direction of acceleration in a physics context, specifically related to constraint equations and motion. The original poster expresses confusion about consistently choosing the correct direction for acceleration during problem-solving.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why their assumption about the direction of acceleration is problematic, despite believing it to be reasonable. They question how to avoid similar mistakes in the future. Other participants discuss the importance of consistency in sign conventions and how the direction of motion affects the signs of variables in equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion, providing insights about the relationship between the chosen coordinate system and the physical motion described. There is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the setup of constraint equations and the implications of sign conventions, though no consensus has been reached.

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The original poster references a specific problem statement and solution from a textbook, indicating that the discussion is framed within the context of homework assignments. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of directionality in motion without the influence of friction.

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Acceleration assumed in the wrong direction again!

Homework Statement


See page 1, this is the problem statement, figure and the solution as supplied in the books manual.

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I solved this problem as seen on page 2, clearly, I assumed the acceleration in the wrong direction. But why is this a problem? Friction is not a factor here and I think the directions for the accelerations that I assumed are reasonable.

How can I avoid making this kind of mistake on an exam?? I always seem to pick the wrong direction for the acceleration.
 

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Once you set up your constraint equation, everything that follows must be consistent with it. Realize that the signs of Aa, Ab, and Ac are positive when Xa, Xb, and Xc are increasing. Your force equations for A & C contradict that assumption.
 
So when you are setting up the constraint equation, what determines the sign of your X's are not the axes you establish but wether or not the distance X is increasing or decreasing. For example, in this problem, I established my x-direction as positive to the left, but this has nothing to do with Xc being positive or negative. When I assumed the distance Xc positive, I also assumed that the the Xc distance was increasing and that block c was moving to the right (which contradicts my sign convention, left being positive). Am I making sense? This is why I think I keep getting confused.
 
cipotilla said:
So when you are setting up the constraint equation, what determines the sign of your X's are not the axes you establish but wether or not the distance X is increasing or decreasing.
Yes. Remember that the constraint is just a way of saying that the cord length doesn't change.
For example, in this problem, I established my x-direction as positive to the left, but this has nothing to do with Xc being positive or negative.
Correct.
When I assumed the distance Xc positive, I also assumed that the the Xc distance was increasing and that block c was moving to the right (which contradicts my sign convention, left being positive).
Xc is defined (see the diagram) as the horizontal distance between C and the first pulley. Ac will be positive if Xc increases, which means that it accelerates to the right. Your sign convention doesn't matter, as long as you are consistent.

Want to take "to the left" as positive? No problem. The force will then be +T and the acceleration will be -Ac.

Want "to the right" to be positive? Again, no problem. The force is now -T and the acceleration is +Ac.

Once you solve for Ac, you will find the actual acceleration.
Am I making sense?
I think you're getting the idea.
 
Thanks you,.
 

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