Acceleration of two packages on an incline

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Two packages, A and B, slide down a 20-degree incline, with A weighing 5kg and B weighing 10kg, each having different coefficients of friction. The forces acting on both packages include gravitational force, normal force, and friction, which are analyzed using free-body diagrams. The acceleration of both packages is linked, allowing the use of a combined equation to find the net force acting on them. The discussion highlights confusion regarding how to combine the equations for both packages to solve for acceleration. Ultimately, the solution involves summing the forces to derive the acceleration and subsequently calculate the time for Package A to reach the bottom of the ramp.
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Homework Statement



Two packages at UPS start sliding down a 20 degree incline. Package A has a mass of 5kg and a coefficient of friction of 0.20. Package B has a mass of 10kg and a coefficient of 0.15. Package A is in front of Package B according to a diagram given. The distance between Package A and the bottom of the ramp is 2m. How long does it take for Package A to reach the bottom?

Homework Equations



Kinematics Equations and Free-Body Diagrams yielded the following breakdown of all the forces, given in this form:

(Force), (x hat) +/- (y hat)
uk_(box) is the kinetic friction coefficient.
Ff is the friction force
Fg/Fn are obvious
X_Y is the force X on Y

The Attempt at a Solution



The very first thing I did was make a table of forces symbolically:

For package A, assume a tilted axis of 20 degrees, with +x in the direction of the packages' motion.

Fn, 0 + Fn
Fg, mg sin 20 - mg cos 20
Ff, -uk_A(Fn) + 0
B_A, B_A + 0
Fnet, (M_a)(A_a) + 0

For package B, assume an identical axis.

Fn, 0 + Fn
Fg, mg sin 20 - mg cos 20
Ff, -uk_B(Fn) + 0
A_B, -A_B + 0
Fnet, (M_b)(A_b) + 0

The acceleation is constrained by A_a = A_b, allowing us to use one acceleration "a".

I then get these final equations for:
Package A X: mg sin 20 - uk_a(Fn) + B_A = M_a(a)
Package A Y: Fn = mg cos 20
Package B X: mg sin 20 - uk_b(Fn) - A_B = M_b(a)
Package B Y: Fn = mg cos 20

Now, I haven't the foggiest idea what to do. All I see are endless streams of unsolvable equations with two unknowns.
 
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Each package has a force down the ramp and an opposing friction force.
Write that the sum of the four forces is ma, where m = 15. You should be able to find the acceleration in a jiffy.
 
Delphi51 said:
Each package has a force down the ramp and an opposing friction force.
Write that the sum of the four forces is ma, where m = 15. You should be able to find the acceleration in a jiffy.

That's exactly what I did:

Package A X: mg sin 20 - uk_a(Fn) + B_A = M_a(a)
Package A Y: Fn = mg cos 20
Package B X: mg sin 20 - uk_b(Fn) - A_B = M_b(a)
Package B Y: Fn = mg cos 20

What I didn't understand was how they tied together. The solutions manual says to add the two equations, treating both forces as one big force; however, I don't understand how exactly they did that.
 
F = ma
5g*sin(20) - .2*5g*cos(20) + 10g*sin(20) - .15*10g*cos(20) = 15a
 
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