Acidity due to ortho effect in benzene

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The discussion revolves around the acidity of ortho-substituted benzoic acids, particularly focusing on the ortho effect and its implications for acidity compared to meta and para substitutions. Participants explore the relationship between resonance, steric hindrance, and the stability of conjugate bases in determining acidity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why bulky groups at the ortho position increase acidity, suggesting that broken planarity due to steric hindrance might decrease acidity by disrupting resonance.
  • Another participant clarifies that the discussion pertains to Lewis acidity and refers to the ortho effect, specifically comparing the acidity of o-toluic acid to m- and p-toluic acids.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while resonance can influence acidity, the stability of the conjugate base is a more significant factor. They argue that the electron-donating effect of the benzene ring typically stabilizes the conjugate base, making the compound less acidic.
  • This participant also notes that the ortho effect is characterized by steric hindrance breaking planarity, which reduces the electron-donating effect and increases acidity.
  • Another participant challenges the clarity of the initial question, asserting that increased electron density makes it harder to lose the acidic proton, and that the broken resonance leads to less electron density on the carboxyl group, facilitating ionization.

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Participants express differing views on the factors influencing acidity in ortho-substituted benzoic acids, particularly regarding the roles of resonance and steric effects. There is no consensus on the explanation of the ortho effect or the relative importance of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various examples and comparisons, such as the acidity of benzoic acid versus formic acid, and the acidity order of substituted benzoic acids (o > m > p), but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or complexities involved in these comparisons.

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Acidity increases with resonance, but why under the presence of bulky group attached to benzene in ortho position increase acidity ?
Under such cases, the planarity is broken and resonance is no longer possible between attached group and benzene hence the charges have to maintain their original position decreasing acidity of the compound ?
 
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I'm assuming you mean Lewis acid.
 
I took this to mean, e.g., why is o-toluic acid more acidic than m-toluic acid or p-toluic acid? It's a phenomenon typically referred to as the ortho effect. So a couple of things are wrong: acidity can increase with resonance, but there are also other factors at play. Typically, the factor that most determines acidity is the stability of the conjugate base. So the more stable the deprotonated species is, the more acidic the protonated species will be. In the case of benzoic acid, the benzene ring pushes electron density onto the carboxyl group. The easiest way to see this is to compare the pKa's of formic acid (3.7) and benzoic acid (4.2), since formic acid is about as close as we can get to "nothing" as a substituent on the carboxyl group. In the bare benzoic acid (or in m- or p- substituted benzoic acids) the benzene ring and carboxyl group are aligned in the same plane. The benzene ring can then donate electrons onto the highly electronegative carboxyl group. This strengthens the bond between the carboxyl O and the acidic proton, rendering the compound less acidic (if the benzene were instead electron-withdrawing, the resulting compound would be more acidic). In the case of ortho-substituted benzoic acid, this planarity is broken by steric hindrance. The electron-donating effect of the benzene ring is reduced or absent, and the compound is therefore more acidic.

This is the standard textbook explanation of the ortho effect, and I'll be the first to admit that it seems a little wishy washy to me. For instance, in most cases meta-substituted benzoic acids are more acidic than para-substituted ones, which can't be explained by a steric effect (the order of acidity being o > m > p). However, we know that the phenomenon is relatively independent of whether the ortho group is electron donating or electron withdrawing, which seems to point away from an inductive effect. It seems like a good area for a research project.
 
What's hard to understand? More electron density makes it harder to pull off the acidic proton. If steric hinderance distorts planarity, then resonance is broken up, and there is less electron density on the carboxyl group, making it easier to ionize. You should have mentioned substituted benzoic acids in your OP.
 

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