Acura/Bentley: FINAL EXAM REVIEW

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The problem involves two cars, an Acura and a Bentley, that start from rest and accelerate towards each other from a distance L. The discussion revolves around determining the time of collision, the distance traveled by the Bentley before the crash, and the relative speed of the Bentley with respect to the Acura just before the crash. The participants are required to derive equations rather than use memorized formulas.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conditions for the cars to crash by equating their positions and derive expressions for time and distance based on their accelerations. There are questions about the signs of the accelerations and the implications of equal accelerations. Some participants suggest reworking calculations and checking assumptions about the setup.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. There is a focus on ensuring that the derived equations make sense and that assumptions about the initial conditions are valid. Some participants have offered guidance on reworking parts of the problem, particularly regarding the distance traveled by the Bentley.

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Participants note that the problem requires deriving equations from first principles and that the initial conditions, such as the placement of the cars, may affect the signs in their equations but not the overall outcome. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of different setups in the problem.

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1. Two cars, an Acura and a Bentley, are initially at rest a distance L from each other. At time t = 0 both cars starts accelerating toward each other, with constant acceleration Aa amd Ab respectively, until they crash into each other.

a) At what time does the crash happen?

b) Find the distance traveled by the Bentley before the crash.

c) What is the relative speed of the Bentley, with respect to the Acura, just before the
crash?Write your results in terms of L, Aa, and Ab. Remember to check the dimensions/units for
each answer.

2.
EQUATIONS: (WE CANNOT USE MEMORIZED EQUATIONS, WE MUST DERIVE THEM GIVEN THE INFORMATION.

Va = ∫Aa(dt) --> Aa(t) + Voa

Xa = ∫Va(dt) --> 0.5Aa(t)^2 + Voa(t) + Xoa

Vb = ∫Ab(dt) --> Ab(t) + Vob

Xb = ∫Vb(dt) --> 0.5Ab(t)^2 + Vob(t) + Xob

The Attempt at a Solution



[a] The cars will crash when their positions are the same ---> Xa = Xb.

0.5Aa(t)^2 + Voa(t) + Xoa = 0.5Ab(t)^2 + Vob(t) + Xob

You can take out both Voa and Vob because the problem states that they are initially at rest. Let Xoa be at the origin, making it 0 and Xob = L because that is the distance between it and the Acura.∴ 0.5Aa(t)^2 = 0.5Ab(t)^2 + L

Aa(t)^2 - Ab(t)^2 = 2L ---> t^2 (Aa - Ab) = 2L

t = [(2L/(Aa - Ab))]^0.5. Discard the negative solution for time.[b.] Find the distance traveled by the Bentley before the crash.

Xb = 0.5Ab(t)^2 + Vob(t) + Xob

Once again Vob(t) = 0,

Xb = 0.5Ab([(2L/(Aa - Ab))]^0.5)^2 + L

Xb = 0.5Ab(2L/(Aa-Ab)) + L

Xb = [Ab(L)/(Aa-Ab)] + L

Is this correct?

Any help for this and part C will be greatly appreciated :)
 
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Metamorphose said:
[a] The cars will crash when their positions are the same ---> Xa = Xb.

0.5Aa(t)^2 + Voa(t) + Xoa = 0.5Ab(t)^2 + Vob(t) + Xob

You can take out both Voa and Vob because the problem states that they are initially at rest. Let Xoa be at the origin, making it 0 and Xob = L because that is the distance between it and the Acura.


∴ 0.5Aa(t)^2 = 0.5Ab(t)^2 + L

Aa(t)^2 - Ab(t)^2 = 2L ---> t^2 (Aa - Ab) = 2L

t = [(2L/(Aa - Ab))]^0.5. Discard the negative solution for time.

Check your assumptions about the signs of the various quantities. Suppose the accelerations of the vehicle's happened to be the same, what would be the time of the collision according to your derived formula?
 
Because the Bentley will be accelerating to the left, it's acceleration should be labeled as -Ab.

Which when plugged in should give:

0.5Aa(t)^2 = -0.5Ab(t)^2 + L

Aa(t)^2 + Ab(t)^2 = 2L ---> t^2 (Aa + Ab) = 2L

t = [(2L/(Aa + Ab))]^0.5.
 
Metamorphose said:
Because the Bentley will be accelerating to the left, it's acceleration should be labeled as -Ab.

Which when plugged in should give:

0.5Aa(t)^2 = -0.5Ab(t)^2 + L

Aa(t)^2 + Ab(t)^2 = 2L ---> t^2 (Aa + Ab) = 2L

t = [(2L/(Aa + Ab))]^0.5.
That's better :smile: Always check to see if your results make sense by seeing if any 'pathological' behaviors can arise.

Now you can rework your answer for part .
 
Thank You :) I tend to loose marks due to these silly mistakes. Reworking Part B gives:

XB = -0.5aBt2 + V0Bt + X0B

V0Bt = 0

∴ XB = -0.5aBt2 + L

XB = -0.5aB[(2L)/(aA+ aB]2 + L

XB = -aB/(aA + aB] + L
 
Metamorphose said:
Thank You :) I tend to loose marks due to these silly mistakes. Reworking Part B gives:

XB = -0.5aBt2 + V0Bt + X0B

V0Bt = 0

∴ XB = -0.5aBt2 + L

XB = -0.5aB[(2L)/(aA+ aB]2 + L

XB = -aB/(aA + aB] + L

Okay, that's B's position, but how far did he travel? Distance traveled is his change in position.
 
XB = -0.5aBt2 + V0Bt + X0B

V0Bt = 0

∴ XB = -0.5aBt2 + L

XB = -0.5aB[(2L)/(aA+ aB]2 + L

XB = -aBL/(aA + aB] + L

XB = -aBL/(aA + aB) + L(aA + aB)/(aA + aB)

XB = aA(L)/(aA + aB)?

I was looking over a document I found and in that document, the Bentley was placed at the origin instead of the acura, causing the final answer to be similar to the one above. Does it matter which car is placed at the origin?
 
Metamorphose said:
XB = -0.5aBt2 + V0Bt + X0B

V0Bt = 0

∴ XB = -0.5aBt2 + L

XB = -0.5aB[(2L)/(aA+ aB]2 + L

XB = -aBL/(aA + aB] + L

XB = -aBL/(aA + aB) + L(aA + aB)/(aA + aB)

XB = aA(L)/(aA + aB)?
You've still only calculated the position of the Bentley. The distance covered should be given by the final position minus the initial position. Since the initial position is at distance L...
I was looking over a document I found and in that document, the Bentley was placed at the origin instead of the acura, causing the final answer to be similar to the one above. Does it matter which car is placed at the origin?
No, it shouldn't matter. It will simply change the signs of some of the values.
 

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