Air pressure difference between floor & ceiling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring the air pressure difference between the floor and ceiling of a room using digital manometers. Participants explore the challenges and considerations involved in obtaining accurate readings, particularly in relation to the setup and characteristics of the measuring instruments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that their digital manometers consistently read 0 IWC when attempting to measure the pressure difference between the floor and an 8' high ceiling, despite expectations of a measurable difference.
  • Another participant questions whether the air pressure in the manometer tube is being accounted for, suggesting that this could affect the readings.
  • A participant acknowledges the assumption that the pressure in the hose is the same as at the ceiling but is uncertain about how to account for the pressure in the hose.
  • It is noted that the air pressure in a vertical length of hose will vary with height, similar to the air pressure in the room, and that sealing the hose and bringing it to floor level could reveal a difference in readings.
  • One participant suggests that using an instrument that measures absolute pressure rather than relative pressure would provide a more straightforward method for measuring small pressure differences.
  • A later reply confirms the challenges of using a flexible hose, indicating that even slight deformations can lead to significant pressure fluctuations, complicating accurate measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors affecting the accuracy of pressure measurements, particularly regarding the role of the hose and the type of pressure measurement instrument used. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the best approach to obtain accurate readings.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the characteristics of the measuring instruments, the effects of hose flexibility, and the assumptions made about pressure equivalence in the hose and at the ceiling.

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Can't figure out how to get my digital manometers to read the pressure difference between the air near the floor vs. at the 8' high ceiling. It reads 0 IWC no matter how I do it. One of my instruments is a micromanometer (reads as low as .001 IWC pressure differential), and it reads 0 IWC there too.
I'm zeroing the meter at floor level, and have no hose on the "reference" port. And I gave a 9 foot manometer hose on the "signal" port with the meter at floor level and the open end of the hose a few feet from the ceiling.
I'm thinking that there be about a 0.108 IWC PD there with that 8' difference in height. Why am I getting 0? It isn't an air tight room, and no fans are on.
 
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Are you accounting for the air pressure in the manometer tube...?
 
russ_watters said:
Are you accounting for the air pressure in the manometer tube...?

I guess not, if the tube you're referring to is the hose going from the digital manometer to the ceiling. I assumed that pressure in the hose was the same as the air pressure at the ceiling where the open end of that hose is.
Never had to do that just measuring static pressure, i.e. in an air duct. But I guess that was at about the same height as the meter.
How would I account for the pressure in that hose?
 
tinkeringone said:
I assumed that pressure in the hose was the same as the air pressure at the ceiling where the open end of that hose is.

No. The air pressure in a vertical length of hose will vary with height, exactly the same way as the air pressure in the room.

If you position the hose vertically, seal the end, and then bring it down to floor level you should see a difference in reading. But correcting the reading to give you an accurate measurement would be complcated, especially if the hose is flexible.

The straightforward way to measure this is with an instrument that measures absolute pressure, not relative, and is sensitive enough to show the small pressure difference.
 
Thank you, AZ, as I too was unsuccessfully "measuring" height air dP in my room with a diff. manometer. Now I see why - so simple. I have tried just now, and exactly, as you imply, it is not possible with a flexible hose as a slightest deformation of its walls causes huge pressure fluctuations.
 

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