Air resistance, dimensional analysis confusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a falling body under the influence of air resistance, specifically examining the governing differential equation and the dimensional analysis of the forces involved. Participants explore the nature of air resistance as a force, its dependence on velocity, and the implications of different models of drag (linear vs. quadratic).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how air resistance can be a function of velocity, questioning its compatibility with the force equation F=ma.
  • Another participant raises a question about the units of the constant k in the equation, leading to a clarification that k has units of kg/sec.
  • A participant corrects an earlier assumption about the proportionality of air resistance, stating that it should follow a v² relationship rather than a linear one, and provides a formula for k in terms of fluid density, drag coefficient, and reference area.
  • Some participants note that while quadratic drag is common for larger objects, linear drag may be used in introductory materials for simplicity, though it is not necessarily accurate.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which different drag models apply, with some participants emphasizing that quadratic drag is typical in air due to the low viscosity and high velocities involved.
  • A participant mentions specific scenarios, such as the Millikan Oil Drop experiment, where linear drag may be observed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate model for air resistance, with some advocating for a linear model in certain contexts and others supporting the quadratic model as more accurate in general. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to modeling air resistance.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the choice between linear and quadratic drag depends on various factors, including the size of the object and the medium through which it is moving. There is also mention of the simplifications made in introductory materials that may not reflect the complexities of real-world scenarios.

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Hi. Consider the basic eq for a falling body with air resistance

dv/dt=g-kv/m

I don't understand air resistance as a force, since it seems irreconcilable to the force equation F=ma. How is a force a function of velocity? I am also not sure how this equation makes sense in terms of dimensional anaysis--the right side is m/s^2, the left m/s^2+(m/s)/kg. I am apparently the only one troubled by this, as extensive googling has yeilded nothing. Thanks!
 
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pjordan said:
Hi. Consider the basic eq for a falling body with air resistance

dv/dt=g-kv/m

I don't understand air resistance as a force, since it seems irreconcilable to the force equation F=ma. How is a force a function of velocity? I am also not sure how this equation makes sense in terms of dimensional anaysis--the right side is m/s^2, the left m/s^2+(m/s)/kg. I am apparently the only one troubled by this, as extensive googling has yeilded nothing. Thanks!

Does k have units?
 
Another problem: your proportionality is wrong. Air resistance follows a v2 proportionality, so in reality, it should be:

dv/dt = g - kv2/m, in which k = ρ/2*Cd*A, where ρ is the density of the fluid, Cd is the drag coefficient (unitless), and A is the reference area.
 
generally it is given as proportional to v or v^2--the quadratic relationship is usually for larger objects. Most introductory material on diff eq use v. thanks
 
Precisely. Drag equation can be different under different conditions. Quadratic drag is more common in practical situations, but slow motion through viscous medium will often produce linear drag.
 
pjordan said:
generally it is given as proportional to v or v^2--the quadratic relationship is usually for larger objects. Most introductory material on diff eq use v. thanks

Introductory material uses v not because it is correct, but because it makes the differential equation a lot easier. Even for small objects, air resistance tends to have a v2 proportionality - the relatively low viscosity of air, and high velocity objects falling through air attain make the v2 relationship correct for nearly all objects in air. A linear proportionality (implying viscous-dominated drag rather than inertial) tends to happen more commonly in other fluids, especially highly viscous ones (for example, dropping a marble through corn syrup).
 
I missed the bit about it being specific to drag in air. Yes, with air, you are unlikely to see linear drag outside of Millikan Oil Drop, or similar setup.
 

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