Aluminium+copper alloy vacuum outgassing

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The discussion revolves around the suitability of using aluminium 2007 alloy for a part in an oil diffusion vacuum pump, specifically concerning the potential outgassing of copper and lead during the vacuum process. Participants explore the implications of using this alloy compared to other aluminium alloys like 6061 or 6082, as well as the challenges associated with thermal expansion in vacuum environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the outgassing of copper and lead from the aluminium 2007 alloy during the vacuum process.
  • Another participant suggests that the aluminium surface will have an oxide layer and may contain moisture, recommending a bake-out process and possibly using getters or electron beams to clean the surface.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the challenges of thermal expansion in aluminium, noting that large dimension changes with temperature could complicate the operation of the diffusion pump.
  • The original poster clarifies that they must use aluminium due to machining limitations and inquires about the differences between using 2007 versus 6061 or 6082 alloys.
  • It is mentioned that the aluminium will only be used for the jets, while the main body of the pump will be made of stainless steel.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of using aluminium 2007 versus other alloys, as well as the potential outgassing issues. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific risks associated with the alloy choice and the best practices for mitigating outgassing.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions about outgassing behavior and the specific conditions under which the vacuum pump will operate. The discussion does not resolve the technical uncertainties related to the materials involved.

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Can I use aluminium 2007 for high vacuum projects it since contains copper?
Hello.

I need to make a part for a oil difussion vacuum pump and I want to use aluminium 2007 allow. This allow contains around 4% of copper and 1,5% of lead. I don´t know if those metals can outgass during the vacuum process. That vacuum pump is supposed to reach around 5 x 10 -6 mbar or 5 x 10 -4 Pa

Thank you

best regards
 
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That aluminium surface will have an oxide layer, plus some diffused moisture...

You may have to tackle like a thermionic valve and slowly bake-out, then 'getter'...

IIRC, you may even need to use an electron beam or cold-discharge to 'scrub' surface. Perhaps research how space-telescope frames etc are 'cleaned up' to prevent out-gassing tainting the sensors...
 
A diffusion pump is (basically) an oil boiler. I would be more worried about the managing the headache of large dimension changes (with temperature) that will occur with aluminum - Those will last forever (or until something breaks). Heating/Cooling a diffusion pump is a noisy affair (even with much more thermally stable materials). All off-gassing stops eventually (explained this to my wife last weekend - the dog vomited in her new car...)
 
Thanks for your answers. I hacve to use aluminium. I don´t have the skills nor the equipment to machine stainless steel.

But since I´m going to use aluminium, is htere any problem using 2007 instead 6061 or 6082. I went for the 2007 because it is easy to machine.

And about the changing in dimensions, the aluminium is only for the "jets", the main body will be stainless steel
 

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