An infinite network (XKCD) - is it not clear?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of resistance in an infinite network of resistors, as presented in an XKCD comic. Participants explore whether the equivalent resistance can be infinite or if it must be finite, considering both intuitive and mathematical perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the resistance could be considered infinite based on a simplified view of two parallel infinite resistances.
  • Others argue that the resistance cannot exceed 1.5 Ohms due to the presence of multiple independent paths, suggesting that the equivalent resistance must be finite.
  • One participant mentions that the equivalent resistance in a parallel circuit is always lower than any individual branch resistance, implying that the total resistance must be less than 3 Ohms.
  • A participant acknowledges the complexity of understanding infinity in the context of networks, suggesting that while one model may simplify the concept, other models may also exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the resistance can be infinite or must be finite, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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Some participants reference external resources for further exploration of the topic, but there is no agreement on a definitive solution or method for calculating the resistance.

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Hi, unless I'm missing something here, it seems to me that the answer is that it is infinite, and that that is pretty intuitive.

Is that not the case?

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I would think it could be simplified to view as two parallel and infinite resistances, giving ∞2/2∞, which simplifies to half infinity, which is of course really (in as much as it is) still infinite.
 
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I have no solution, but the resistance cannot be larger than 1.5 Ohm, since there are two independent paths of 3 resistors between the points. The other parallel paths can only lower the resistance. So it's definitely finite.

The forum page of this comic will no doubt contain the correct answer.
 
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I think it is intuitive that the resistance can not be infinite.

With some hand-waving: whenever you have a parallel circuit the equivalent resistance is lower than any of the branch resistance, so the resistance between any to adjacent nodes must be less than 1 Ohm. This means you have a path between the two marked nodes as a series of three networks that can be replaced with a resistor less than 1 Ohm, totaling less than 3 Ohm.

The exact solution, I seem to remember from years back, is a bit harder to obtain. Found a derivation [1] that may be of some use (haven't read it thoroughly enough to say if it is correct or not).

[1] http://mathpages.com/home/kmath668/kmath668.htm
 
ZVdP said:
I have no solution, but the resistance cannot be larger than 1.5 Ohm, since there are two independent paths of 3 resistors between the points. The other parallel paths can only lower the resistance. So it's definitely finite.

Filip Larsen said:
I think it is intuitive that the resistance can not be infinite.

With some hand-waving: whenever you have a parallel circuit the equivalent resistance is lower than any of the branch resistance, so the resistance between any to adjacent nodes must be less than 1 Ohm.
[1] http://mathpages.com/home/kmath668/kmath668.htm


Right, that was stupid of me. Thank you both - and for the link.

I see why it was comic-worthy now, the answer is certainly not trivial!
 


I would say that the concept of infinity is a complex and abstract one that can be difficult to fully comprehend. In the context of a network, an infinite network would mean that the number of nodes or connections is infinite, which is not something that we can easily visualize or understand. However, mathematically, it is possible to represent an infinite network using equations and models. In the example given, the approach of simplifying it to two parallel and infinite resistances is a valid way to conceptualize it, but it is important to note that this is just one way of looking at it and there may be other ways to model an infinite network. Ultimately, the answer to whether an infinite network is clear or not depends on the perspective and understanding of the individual.
 

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