# Angular kinematics

1. Oct 23, 2012

### MMCS

A swing bridge has to be turned through a right angle in 120 seconds. The first 50.4 seconds is a period of uniform angular acceleration ; the subsequent 34.8 seconds is a period of uniform angular velocity and the third period of 34.8 seconds is a period of uniform angular retardation. Input your answers to five decimal places when appropriate, and find

the angular displacement that occurred during time period two, (0%) rads
the angular displacement in time period three
the angular acceleration of the bridge , (0%) rads/sec2
the maximum angular velocity (0%) rads/sec
the retardation

Doing some revision and cant work out how to get answers, Tried to write angular displacement in terms of period 2 but cant figure out how to do that

Thanks

2. Oct 23, 2012

### haruspex

If you create unknowns for the two accelerations, what equations can you write down?

3. Oct 24, 2012

### MMCS

I don't know? acceleration1 = angular velocity1 / 50.4
acceleration2 = angular velocity2 / 34.8

??

4. Oct 24, 2012

### haruspex

OK, but what do you mean by the unknowns angular velocity1 and angular velocity 2? (Aren't they the same value?) And acceleration2 should be negative, agreed?
How about some equation relating acceleration, time and angular distance? You are probably familiar with such for uniform linear acceleration. Well, it's just the same for uniform angular acceleration, but now 'distance' means an angle.

5. Oct 25, 2012

### MMCS

i cant work this out, if the angular velocitys are the same should i be using then acceleration1 - acceleration2 / 15.6 s? because that would give me two unknowns when used in the acceleration, time and angular distance formula. as you can tell im new to this type of problem,

6. Oct 25, 2012

### HallsofIvy

Staff Emeritus
Was there a reason you chose NOT to use the standard format? In particular the "relevant equations" section would have told us if you know the basic equations.

You should know that for a constant acceleration, velocity equals acceleration times time so it should be easy to determine the velocity of the bridge at the end of that first period. A little bit more complicated, but you are certainly expected know it by the person who gave you this problem is that, with constant acceleration, a, with initial speed v0, the distance traveled is (1/2)at^2+ v0t. Those are the equations you need to solve this problem.

Last edited: Oct 25, 2012
7. Oct 26, 2012

### MMCS

Coping the formulas from a text book and inputting values is no problem, neither is understanding their use. Im having trouble rearranging any formula algebraically to give me anything with less than 2 unknowns. with the formula (1/2)at^2+ v0t the angular displacement and accelerration are both uknowns.

8. Oct 26, 2012

### haruspex

You have a known duration of unknown acceleration to reach an unknown angular velocity: one equation, 2 unknowns.
You can also write down the angle travelled: 1 more equation, one more unknown.
You then have a second known duration. One more equation, one more unknown (the angle travelled in this phase)
Finally, a known period of unknown deceleration to get back to rest. As with the acceleration phase, two equations, but only two more unknowns.
Adding up the angular distances, one more equation, no more unknowns.
You now have an equal number of equations and unknowns, so a solution should be possible.
Please write out all the equations and show your attempt at solving them.

9. Oct 29, 2012

### MMCS

period 1

angular velocity 2 = 0 + ang acceleration * 50.4
angular displacement = 0.5*acceleration*50.4^2

period 2

angular velocity = angular displacemnt/34.8

period 3

angular displacement = angular velocity1 * 34.8 + 0.5*acceleration*34.8^2

ang displacement 1+2+3 = 1.5708 rads

10. Oct 29, 2012

### haruspex

OK, now turn that into equations using normal style variable notation. That will help remove ambiguities I see above. And you're missing one equation (from the fact that it finishes at rest). The see what you can do in terms of solving the equations.

11. Oct 29, 2012

### MMCS

come on your speaking in cryptic clues to me here. Its common sense getting up to this point, i need help getting an equation with one unknown in and ill be sorted then. From the point im at now i dont know how to do that. even an example on how to use one of these equations to solve another would be a help.

Thanks

12. Oct 29, 2012

### haruspex

My job is to lead you through it, one step at a time if necessary.
Please do as I ask wrt writing out the equations. I need to make sure you have the right number of unknowns.
The missing equation is the one that says the system finishes at rest. I'm sure you can figure out what I mean from that.
Once we've got to there, I'll show you how to start eliminating variables.