Angular Momentum conserved but not energy?

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In the discussion, a scenario involving a skater pulling in her arms while spinning illustrates the conservation of angular momentum but raises questions about energy changes. When the skater reduces her radius from r1 to r2, her angular momentum remains constant, leading to an increase in tangential speed and kinetic energy. The increase in kinetic energy is attributed to the work done by the skater, who converts chemical energy from her muscles into mechanical energy. This process highlights that while angular momentum is conserved, energy is not, as the skater must exert effort to achieve the change. The conversation emphasizes the relationship between force, distance, and energy in rotational dynamics.
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New to the forum- looked through the forum, but all are tangential answers.

A skater with mass m, is spinning with arms extended to radius r1, with a tangential speed v1, angular velocity w1; v1=w1*r1, angular momentum mv1r1 =mw1r12; kinetic energy 1/2 m1v12.

Now she pulls in her arms to a radius r2, r2<r1. Angular momentum is conserved. She changes her tangential speed to v2 and angular velocity to w2.
so mv1r1=mv2r2 or v2 = (v1*r1)/r2

But the new kinetic energy
1/2mv22= 1/2mv12*(r1/r2)2

Since r1>r2, kinetic energy has increased by the square of (r1/r2). Where does this extra energy come from? (there should actually be an energy loss in the intermediate stage, where the skater is spiralling into the new radius). Does the skater have to exert herself?
 
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say_cheese said:
Does the skater have to exert herself?

Yes. Something similar is often done as a demonstration, with someone sitting on a freely rotating stool while holding weights in his outstretched hands. As he brings the weights in closer to his body, his angular velocity increases, and he has to make an effort to "pull the weights in", that is, he has to do work.
 
say_cheese said:
Since r1>r2, kinetic energy has increased by the square of (r1/r2). Where does this extra energy come from?
The skater must do work to bring her arms in. The extra energy comes from her converting chemical energy in her muscles into mechanical energy.
Does the skater have to exert herself?
Exactly!
 
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There's always a 'Force timed Distance' somewhere to explain this sort of thing; it's a matter of spotting it.
When you get down to it, it's that or The Twilight Zone.
 
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