Angular Momentum of a Bar: Calculating Magnitude and Direction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular momentum of a rotating bar, specifically focusing on its magnitude and direction. The problem involves understanding the relationship between angular momentum, moment of inertia, and angular velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the right-hand rule for determining the direction of angular momentum. There are attempts to calculate the moment of inertia of the bar and its relationship to angular momentum. Questions arise about the appropriate equations and definitions needed to solve the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the equation for angular momentum and the moment of inertia. There is acknowledgment of the conventions used in defining direction, and some participants express uncertainty about the specifics of calculating moment of inertia for the bar.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints such as reliance on provided materials for moment of inertia equations and the potential confusion between the terms "bar" and "rod." There is also a note about the problem being due soon, adding urgency to the discussion.

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Use the link above to get the picture for this problem. I could use some help with both parts of this problem, and it is due tonight.

Part 1) What is the magnitude of the angular momentum of the 670 g rotating bar in the figure?

Part 2) What is the direction of the angular momentum of the bar? (2 options below)
-into the page
-out of the page
 
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For part 2 there is a "right hand rule", curl your right hand with your fingers in the direction of the rotation, your thumb will be in the direction of your momentum.
 
Well, I think that the easiest way of going about doing part 1 would be to calculate the moment of inertia of the bar. You already know the angular velocity of the bar, and you should know what the relationship between these two quantities and angular momentum is.

For part 2, it's just a convention (i.e. a rule that everybody agrees upon for the sake of consistency). For a quantity like this, we define the direction of a vector as being related to the direction of rotation by the right hand rule.
 
Does that mean I would use the equation L = Iw? And if so, how do I find I (moment of inertia)?
 
Dark Visitor said:
Does that mean I would use the equation L = Iw? And if so, how do I find I (moment of inertia)?

Yeah, that's right. Aren't moments of inertia of objects with simple geometry given in your book or your notes?
 
The only thing I have is a sheet my teacher gave me, which has Inertia equations for a few objects. The closest one is a thin rod, but the problem calls it a bar, so I don't know if I should try it anyways. Otherwise, I have nothing to go on.
 
Nevermind. I used it, and it was right. Thanks dude. I appreciate the help. I will be posting 3 more problems in a little bit which are harder for me. So if you feel like helping, I would be very grateful. Otherwise, thanks anyways.
 
Hey Dark Visitor,

I'll see what I can do.

Whether you call it a bar or a rod, that formula is basically for an object that we can idealize as being 1-dimensional, i.e. all of the mass can be considered to be concentrated along a line of length L, and the dimensions perpendicular to that don't contribute in a significant way to the rotational inertia.
 
So what was the I in this problem? I've been given the same problem, but don't know how to calculate the answer.
 
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ice2morrow,

You have two options for determining the moment of inertia of an object fulfilling the criteria I described in post #8 (i.e. a long, thin bar/rod)

1. You could look it up:


2. If you understand how (and why this is true), you could compute it as:

[tex]I = \frac{M}{L}\int_{-L/2}^{L/2} x^2\, dx[/tex]​

where x is the dimension along the length of the rod with mass M and total length L (with x=0 being at the rod centre).
 

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