Angular momentum of Dirac particle

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The discussion centers on the treatment of angular momentum in the context of Dirac particles as presented in Sakurai's "Advanced Quantum Mechanics." Participants explore the implications of infinitesimal rotations and the transformation of wave functions, particularly focusing on the assumptions made regarding derivatives of the wave function during these transformations.

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  • One participant questions the justification for assuming that the derivatives of the transformed wave function, ##\psi'(x)##, are equal to those of the original wave function, ##\psi(x)##, in the context of infinitesimal transformations.
  • Another participant suggests that contributions are only taken up to order ##\mathcal{O}(\delta \omega)##, implying that there is no mixing of derivatives with the spin matrix ##\Sigma_3##.
  • Some participants express dissatisfaction with Sakurai's use of the variable ##x_4 = ict##, suggesting it complicates understanding, while others recommend alternative texts for clarity.
  • A later reply elaborates on the calculus of infinitesimals, providing a detailed explanation of how infinitesimal transformations relate to derivatives and justifying the assumptions made in the original equations.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions made in Sakurai's treatment, particularly regarding the treatment of derivatives. There is no consensus on whether the assumptions are justified, indicating an unresolved debate on this aspect of the discussion.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the treatment of infinitesimal transformations and the assumptions involved in relating derivatives of transformed and original wave functions. Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding these mathematical nuances without reaching a definitive resolution.

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I'm reading Sakurai's "Advanced Quantum Mechanics" (which is different from his "Modern Quantum Mechanics"). In chapter 3, which is about the Relativistic Quantum Mechanics of spin 1/2 particles, after discussing the covariance of the Dirac equation, he goes on to give some examples to clarify the significance of the operator S (as in ## \psi'(x')=S \psi(x) ##). In the first example, he considers an infinitesimal rotation around the z-axis and so he considers the transformation:

## \psi'(x')= \left[ 1+i\Sigma_3 \frac{\delta \omega}{2} \right] \psi(x) \ \ \ \ (1)##

where ## \vec{x}'=\vec x+\delta \vec{x} ## and ## \delta \vec x=(x_2 \delta \omega,-x_1 \delta \omega,0)##.

He then notes that:
## \psi'(x')=\psi'(x)+\delta x_1 \frac{\partial \psi'}{\partial x_1}+\delta x_2 \frac{\partial \psi'}{\partial x_2} \ \ \ \ (2)##

Then from all the above, he concludes that:

## \psi'(x)=\left[ 1+ i \Sigma_3 \frac{\delta \omega}{2}-\left(x_2 \delta \omega \frac{\partial}{\partial x_1}-x_1 \delta \omega \frac{\partial}{\partial x_2} \right) \right] \psi(x) \ \ \ \ (3)##

It seems he rearranged equation 2 and then used equation 1 to substitute for ## \psi'(x') ##. But there still remain the derivative terms which are derivatives of ## \psi'(x) ## which should somehow be related to the derivatives of ## \psi(x) ##. But he seems to just assumes that ## \frac{\partial \psi'(x)}{\partial x_i}=\frac{\partial \psi(x)}{\partial x_i }## which doesn't seem justified at all! In fact using equation 1, you can easily show how far this is from truth! Am I missing something here?

Thanks
 
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You only take contributions up to order ##\mathcal{O}(\delta \omega)##. So there's no mixing of derivatives with the spin matrix ##\Sigma_3##.
 
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Sakurai uses the unfortunate x_4 = ict, the only flaw of this book. If you are into well-written but old books, you've got from the 60s either the monograph by S. Schweber, or the two books by Bjorken and Drell.
 
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dextercioby said:
Sakurai uses the unfortunate x_4 = ict, the only flaw of this book. If you are into well-written but old books, you've got from the 60s either the monograph by S. Schweber, or the two books by Bjorken and Drell.
Yeah...I like Sakurai's too, but x=ict really hurts sometimes!
I just wish my first QFT course were with someone else so I didn't have to meet this book in this situation! I'm starting to feel I have a very bad luck regarding the professors I have to take my courses with!
And I appreciate any well-written book because I like to search for insights that are present only in a few books.
 
Yes, unfortunately Japanese books are marred by this annoying issue, but most of them are still good. I particularly like Umezawa's QFT book, North Holland, 1956. It has nice sections on general relativistic equations.
 
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Shyan said:
I'm reading Sakurai's "Advanced Quantum Mechanics" (which is different from his "Modern Quantum Mechanics"). In chapter 3, which is about the Relativistic Quantum Mechanics of spin 1/2 particles, after discussing the covariance of the Dirac equation, he goes on to give some examples to clarify the significance of the operator S (as in ## \psi'(x')=S \psi(x) ##). In the first example, he considers an infinitesimal rotation around the z-axis and so he considers the transformation:

## \psi'(x')= \left[ 1+i\Sigma_3 \frac{\delta \omega}{2} \right] \psi(x) \ \ \ \ (1)##

where ## \vec{x}'=\vec x+\delta \vec{x} ## and ## \delta \vec x=(x_2 \delta \omega,-x_1 \delta \omega,0)##.

He then notes that:
## \psi'(x')=\psi'(x)+\delta x_1 \frac{\partial \psi'}{\partial x_1}+\delta x_2 \frac{\partial \psi'}{\partial x_2} \ \ \ \ (2)##

Then from all the above, he concludes that:

## \psi'(x)=\left[ 1+ i \Sigma_3 \frac{\delta \omega}{2}-\left(x_2 \delta \omega \frac{\partial}{\partial x_1}-x_1 \delta \omega \frac{\partial}{\partial x_2} \right) \right] \psi(x) \ \ \ \ (3)##

It seems he rearranged equation 2 and then used equation 1 to substitute for ## \psi'(x') ##. But there still remain the derivative terms which are derivatives of ## \psi'(x) ## which should somehow be related to the derivatives of ## \psi(x) ##. But he seems to just assumes that ## \frac{\partial \psi'(x)}{\partial x_i}=\frac{\partial \psi(x)}{\partial x_i }## which doesn't seem justified at all! In fact using equation 1, you can easily show how far this is from truth! Am I missing something here?

Thanks

It is extremely important to know about the calculus of infinitesimals. When you do infinitesimal coordinate transformation [tex]\bar{x} = x + \epsilon \delta x ,[/tex]
where [itex]\epsilon \ll 1[/itex] is the infinitesimal parameter, and [itex]\delta x[/itex] is some arbitrary function of x, the word infinitesimal means you can always put [itex]\epsilon^{2} = 0[/itex]. This leads to many useful relations. The first and most important one is the chain rule operator:
[tex]\epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial x} = \epsilon \frac{\partial \bar{x}}{\partial x} \frac{\partial}{\partial \bar{x}} = \epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(x + \epsilon \delta x) \frac{\partial}{\partial \bar{x}}.[/tex]
Since [itex]\epsilon^{2} = 0[/itex], we get
[tex]\epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial x} = \epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial \bar{x}} . \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (1)[/tex]
Now, consider the following infinitesimal transformation of some object [itex]\varphi (x)[/itex]
[tex]\bar{\varphi}(\bar{x}) = \varphi (x) + \epsilon \Sigma \varphi (x) ,[/tex] which is Eq(1) in your post. Using (1), and [itex]\epsilon^{2} = 0[/itex], you find the following important relation (no coordinate expansion yet)
[tex]\epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial \bar{x}} \bar{\varphi}(\bar{x}) = \epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \varphi(x) . \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (2)[/tex]
Now, if we do the coordinate expansion
[tex]\bar{\varphi}(\bar{x}) = \bar{\varphi}( x + \epsilon \delta x ) = \bar{\varphi}(x) + \epsilon \delta x \ \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \bar{\varphi}(x) ,[/tex] substitute in (2) and use [itex]\epsilon^{2} = 0[/itex] again, we get
[tex]\epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial \bar{x}} \bar{\varphi}(x) = \epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \varphi(x) . \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (3)[/tex]
On the left hand side, if we use (1) again, we obtain the following very important relation (which justify Sakurai’s action in replacing [itex]\bar{\varphi}(x)[/itex] with [itex]\varphi (x)[/itex])
[tex]\epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \bar{\varphi}(x) = \epsilon \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \varphi(x) . \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ (4)[/tex]
So, always remember to use the equations (1)-(4), when you deal infinitesimal transformations.
 
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