Angular Momentum squared operator (L^2) eigenvalues?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues of the angular-momentum-squared operator (L²) for hydrogen's 2s and 2px orbitals. Participants explore the relationship between the quantum numbers associated with these orbitals and the corresponding eigenvalues.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the eigenvalue equation L²Ψ = ħ²l(l+1)Ψ and attempt to identify the values of l for the 2s and 2px orbitals. Questions arise regarding the completeness of the wave functions presented, particularly the need for angular components.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the necessity of including angular parts in the wave functions. There is an ongoing exploration of how eigenvalues are defined, with references to previous examples involving the Hamiltonian operator. Multiple interpretations of the eigenvalues are being considered, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential complexity of the problem and express uncertainty about the expected level of detail in the answers. There is a recognition that deriving the eigenvalue may be necessary for a complete understanding.

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Homework Statement


Find the eigenvalues of the angular-momentum-squared operator (L2) for hydrogen 2s and 2px orbitals...

Homework Equations


Ψ2s = A (2-r/a0)e-r/(2a0)
Ψ2px = B (r/a0)e-r/(2a0)

The Attempt at a Solution


If I am not wrong, is the use of L2 in eigenfunction L2Ψ = ħ2 l(l+1) Ψ?

...so I wonder if eigenvalues are l(l+1) from this part, ħ2 l(l+1) Ψ, as in:

for Ψ2s, because for s orbital, l = 0--> l(l+1) = 0(0+1) = 0
for Ψ2px, because for p orbital, l = 1--> l(l+1) = 1(1+1) = 2 ?
 
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terp.asessed said:

Homework Equations


Ψ2s = A (2-r/a0)e-r/(2a0)
Ψ2px = B (r/a0)e-r/(2a0)
That's only the radial part. You are missing the angular part, which is essential ;)

terp.asessed said:

The Attempt at a Solution


If I am not wrong, is the use of L2 in eigenfunction L2Ψ = ħ2 l(l+1) Ψ?

...so I wonder if eigenvalues are l(l+1) from this part, ħ2 l(l+1) Ψ, as in:

for Ψ2s, because for s orbital, l = 0--> l(l+1) = 0(0+1) = 0
for Ψ2px, because for p orbital, l = 1--> l(l+1) = 1(1+1) = 2 ?
How is an eigenvalue defined?
 
DrClaude said:
That's only the radial part. You are missing the angular part, which is essential
OMG, I was like, why does the equation look funny----the correct one for Ψ2px would be B (r/a0)e-r/(2a0)sinθcosφ, right?

DrClaude said:
How is an eigenvalue defined?
Also, as how an eigenvalue is defined...well, from one previous eigenfunction example I solved, the one involving Hamiltonian operator, HΨ = EΨ, E is the eigenvalue?
So, is the eigenvalue for Ψ2px2?
 
terp.asessed said:
OMG, I was like, why does the equation look funny----the correct one for Ψ2px would be B (r/a0)e-r/(2a0)sinθcosφ, right?
Right.

terp.asessed said:
Also, as how an eigenvalue is defined...well, from one previous eigenfunction example I solved, the one involving Hamiltonian operator, HΨ = EΨ, E is the eigenvalue?
Yes. For an operator ##\hat{A}##, ##\hat{A} \psi = a \psi## where ##a## is a scalar means that ##\psi## is an eigenfunction of ##\hat{A}## and ##a## its corresponding eigenvalue.

terp.asessed said:
So, is the eigenvalue for Ψ2px2?
Yes.

I don't know what the level of the question is, so I don't know how simple the answer can be. If this is an advanced problem, you probably are expected to actually derive the eigenvalue.
 
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Thank you! I am quite surprised myself at how simple the answer turns out to be...but still thank you.
 

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