Angular velocity by time variable force

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The problem involves a force represented by F(t) = 20 + t + 5t² acting on the rim of a disk, with the goal of determining the time required for the disk to achieve an angular velocity of 200 revolutions per second. The context includes concepts from rotational dynamics, specifically relating to torque, moment of inertia, and angular acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss integrating the force function to find angular velocity and question the appropriateness of expressing angular displacement in terms of angular velocity. There are considerations about the limits of integration and the implications of initial conditions on the integration process.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different integration approaches and clarifying the relationship between angular displacement and angular velocity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formulation of equations and the interpretation of variables in the context of the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating a time-dependent force and its implications for angular motion. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of mathematical principles in the context of the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement


Force represented by F(t)=20+t+5t^2 [N] acts upon the rim of a disk. How much time has to pass before the disk has angular velocity of 200 revs\sec? R and I are known.

Homework Equations


\begin{equation*}
\tau=I\alpha
\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}
\tau=R \times F
\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}
I=\frac{1}{2}mR^2
\end{equation*}

The Attempt at a Solution


\begin{equation*}
\alpha=\frac{R}{I}F
\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}
\omega=\frac{R}{I}\int_{0}^{t} F(t)dt
\end{equation*}
I have same variable in my upper integration limit as in the function. So I'm thinking of integrating F(t) twice to get the distance and instead of writing it as θ, write it as ωt so it looks like the following
\begin{equation*}
\omega t=\frac{R}{I}∫∫F(t)dt
\end{equation*}
Then divide by t and solve the cubic. Does that seem like a legitimate move?
 
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It seems legitimate for getting ω, but expressing θ as ωt is not correct. However, if θ were put in place of ωt on the left side of your final equation, the equation would be correct. However, the problem is not asking for θ. It is just asking for the time t at which ω reaches a certain value. This can be determined exclusively with your first equation for ω.

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Oh wow, I can just integrate F(t) as indefinite integral, can't I? I don't need the 0 and t limits because the integration constant I'll be getting will mean initial velocity, which is zero in this case.

Also, why is it wrong mathematically to sub θ for ωt? Is it because I'm supposed to be integrating t on the right side?
 
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Oh wow, I can just integrate F(t) as indefinite integral, can't I? I don't need the 0 and t limits because the integration constant I'll be getting will mean initial velocity, which is zero in this case.
I would write the equation as
$$\omega=\frac{R}{I}\int_{0}^{t} F(t')dt'$$
where t' is a dummy variable of integration. This is actually a definite integral that gives you the value of ω at t'=t.
Also, why is it wrong mathematically to sub θ for ωt? Is it because I'm supposed to be integrating t on the right side?
θ is not equal to ωt unless ω is constant. Otherwise, ##θ=\int_0^t{ω(t')dt'}##, assuming that θ=0 at t = 0.

Chet
 

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