Another homework of Newton's law of motion

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The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving Newton's laws of motion, specifically in the context of an elevator's upward acceleration affecting the reading on a spring balance. To determine the true weight of the fish when the elevator accelerates at 2.45 m/s² and the balance reads 50.0 N, the net force equation is applied, combining gravitational force and the elevator's acceleration. Participants clarify that the reading of 50.0 N represents both weight and force, emphasizing that weight is a force acting on the fish. The conversation also explores how to adjust the elevator's acceleration to achieve a balance reading of 30.0 N and the implications if the cable were to break. Understanding the forces acting on the fish is crucial for solving these problems accurately.
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Homework Statement


A proud angler hangs her catch from a spring balance, which is supported from the roof of an elevator.
a.) if the elevator has an upward acceleration of 2.45m/s2 and the balance reads 50.0N, what is the true weight of the fish?
b.) Under what circumstances will the balance read 30.0N?
c.) What will the balance read if the cable breaks?

given:
a = 2.45m/s2
g = 9.8 m/s2
wbalance = 50.0N
wtrue = ?

what formulas will I use? Please help
 
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Just look for the forces acting on the fish. You know it's acceleration and scale reading is actually the force between the fish and the scale (spring).

You can also solve this by using fictitious force (elevator is non-inertial reference frame).
 
N-Gin said:
Just look for the forces acting on the fish. You know it's acceleration and scale reading is actually the force between the fish and the scale (spring).

You can also solve this by using fictitious force (elevator is non-inertial reference frame).

Sorry, I am so dumb when it comes to physics.
Does this mean I'll use F = ma then solve weight from there?
 
Gravity pulls the fish down, and the spring pulls it up. Force from the spring is greater, so the fish (along with the elevator and everything inside) accelerates upwards. So, you have

m\vec{a}=m\vec{g}+\vec{F},

where \vec{F} is elastic force of the spring. When you get rid of the vectors, you have

ma=-mg+F.

I assumed that upwards is the positive direction. Everything else (that points downwards) is negative - gravity in this case.
 
N-Gin said:
Gravity pulls the fish down, and the spring pulls it up. Force from the spring is greater, so the fish (along with the elevator and everything inside) accelerates upwards. So, you have

m\vec{a}=m\vec{g}+\vec{F},

where \vec{F} is elastic force of the spring. When you get rid of the vectors, you have

ma=-mg+F.

I assumed that upwards is the positive direction. Everything else (that points downwards) is negative - gravity in this case.

Im so confused... is the 50.0N a weight or a force?
 
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Ogakor said:

Homework Statement


A proud angler hangs her catch from a spring balance, which is supported from the roof of an elevator.
a.) if the elevator has an upward acceleration of 2.45m/s2 and the balance reads 50.0N, what is the true weight of the fish?
b.) Under what circumstances will the balance read 30.0N?
c.) What will the balance read if the cable breaks?

given:
a = 2.45m/s2
g = 9.8 m/s2
wbalance = 50.0N
wtrue = ?

what formulas will I use? Please help

Take a look at http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...VzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--?qid=20061106061139AAPqm7P"

So Neutons being weight and g being the acceleration due to gravity, the 50N = m (g + 2.45). Find the mass in kg, then solve for the new weight.

Then go back and find out what acceleration the elevator should have to produce 30N.
 
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Ogakor said:
Im so confused... is the 50.0N a weight or a force?
Both. A weight is a force. While the elevator is going upward, the net force on the spring (so the reading on the scale) is the weight of the fish, mg, plus the "ma" where m is the mass of the fish (not weight, weight is mg) and a is the acceleration of the elevator.

While the elevator is going upward, the net force is the weight of the fish minus ma.
 
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