Another logarithmic diff. problem and graphing question

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The original poster seeks to find a formula for the nth derivative of the function f(x) = ln(x-1) and also has a question about graphing tangent lines to the curve y = (ln(x))/x at specific points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the notation for the nth derivative and explore the original poster's confusion regarding the graphing of a specific value involving the constant e. There are attempts to clarify the notation and the process of finding derivatives.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the derivative process and the notation used, while others have expressed confusion about specific terms and graphing techniques. The discussion appears to be ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a lack of familiarity with certain mathematical concepts, such as summations and factorial notation, which may affect the understanding of the problem. Additionally, the original poster notes difficulty in using their calculator for graphing specific values.

crm08
Messages
28
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Find a formula for f^(n)(x) if f(x) = ln(x-1)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Not completely sure what the problem is asking for, any suggestions? Also, another quick question. If I am trying to graph a problem using a ti-89 that shows two tangent lines to the curve y = (ln(x))/x at the points (1,0) and (e,1/e), I found the slope function by taking the derivative, I found the equations of the two lines which are y = x-1 and y = 1/e but I don't know how to tell my calculator to graph "1/e" without it trying to raise e to a power, there is no button that is simply "e". I tried using y = 1/(1+x)^(1/x) but it gave me a bunch of random lines
 
Physics news on Phys.org
To prevent confusion: do you mean nth derative or f(x) to the power n?
 
The way it looks to me is that it is trying to ask for a function f(x) to a power, the "n" is shown as a superscript inside parenthesis between the f and (x), I've never seen a problem written this way and there are no other problems that resemble it in the book so I'm guessing that's what it's asking
 
just realized it's an odd problem so the answer is in the back of the book:

f^(n)(x) = ((-1)^(n-1)*(n-1)!) / ((x-1)^n)

...I have no clue how to show the work to get there though
 
Calculate f'(x) then f"(x), f'''(x) until you see a pattern.
 
sorry it's been a few semesters since summations, would you mind writing that part in words to help me out, isn't it like the sum of something as the k goes from 0 to infinity, sorry it's gettin pretty late my mind isn't working to good right now
 
The pattern I see is that the exponent in the denominator is increasing by one each time although the expression stays the same, and if you multiply the numerator with the degree of the denominator, it gives the numerator for the next derivative
 
also the exclamation point in the answer is throwing me of, my understanding is that it means to multiply a number, for instance 5, like 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1, can you explain what it means in this problem
 
never mind I went back to an old book, I think I got it now, thanks for the help
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K