Another vector fields in terms of circulation and flux

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of vector fields in physics, particularly focusing on the circulation and flux concepts as they relate to various fields such as electromagnetism, gravity, and fluid dynamics. Participants explore why certain vector fields, like gravitational and hydrodynamic fields, do not have "supreme laws" analogous to Maxwell's equations in electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why vector fields like gravitational and hydrodynamic fields lack overarching laws based on circulation and flux, similar to those found in electromagnetism.
  • Another participant references the Navier-Stokes equation as a complex example of fluid dynamics, suggesting that such equations do exist in other fields.
  • A participant expresses difficulty understanding the Navier-Stokes equation and reiterates the importance of Maxwell's equations as fundamental laws, questioning the absence of similar laws for gravitational fields.
  • Gauss's law is mentioned as a potential analogous law for gravitational fields, prompting further inquiry into why it is not emphasized like Maxwell's laws.
  • One participant discusses the natural occurrence of standard operations on vector fields across various physics domains, attributing this to the symmetry structure of Euclidean space.
  • Another participant expresses surprise at the mention of Gauss's law for gravity, indicating a lack of familiarity with it.
  • Questions arise regarding the emphasis placed on Gauss's law compared to Maxwell's equations, highlighting a perceived disparity in their significance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and significance of laws governing various vector fields. There is no consensus on why certain laws are emphasized over others, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparison of these laws.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of certain equations, such as the Navier-Stokes equation, and the potential for missing assumptions or definitions when discussing the laws governing vector fields.

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Other laws in terms of circulation and flux

Why others vector fields no are studied like the magnetic and electric fields? In other words, why others vector fields, like the gravitational and the hydrodynamic, haven't "supreme laws" based in the circulation/flux or curl/divergence?
 
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The navier stokes equation are much complicated for me... I don't understand anything!

Unfortunately, I wrong the topic's title, but what I want say is: in eletromagnetism, the circulation/flux or curl/divergence of the electrical/magnetical field (maxwell's equations) are the most general and supremes laws! All the the other equations are just details or particularities. So, why in other fields of the physics the vector fields haven't laws like exist in the electromagnetism? For example, let says that G represents the gravitational field, I never see an equation of kind:
$$\oint_{s} \vec{G}\cdot d\vec{s}=0$$ $$\oint\oint_{S} \vec{G}\cdot d^2\vec{S}=-km$$
That are analogous to the maxwell's equations...
 
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Jhenrique said:
Unfortunately, I wrong the topic's title, but what I want say is: in eletromagnetism, the circulation/flux or curl/divergence of the electrical/magnetical field (maxwell's equations) are the most general and supremes laws! All the the other equations are just details or particularities. So, why in other fields of the physics the vector fields haven't laws like exist in the electromagnetism? For example, let says that G represents the gravitational field, I never see an equation of kind:
$$\oint_{s} \vec{G}\cdot d\vec{s}=0$$ $$\oint\oint_{S} \vec{G}\cdot d^2\vec{S}=-km$$
That are analogous to the maxwell's equations...

What about Gauss law?

[tex]\oint_S\vec{g}\cdot d\vec{s} = -4\pi G M_{int}[/tex]
 
The standard operations on vector fields always appear in many fields of physics. This is "natural" in a way, because they result from the symmetry structure of Eucldidean (three-dimensional) space and the corresponding symmetry group (semidirect product of rotations and translations).

In addition these operations like [itex]\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{V}[/itex] or [itex]\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{V}[/itex], div and curl of a vector field, and [itex]\vec{\nabla} \phi[/itex], the gradient of a scalar field, have clear intuitive meaning in physics, particularly in fluid dynamics (see one of may latest postings in this forum).
 
mattt said:
What about Gauss law?

[tex]\oint_S\vec{g}\cdot d\vec{s} = -4\pi G M_{int}[/tex]

It's the first time that I see this equation!

So, why the gauss law
[tex]\oint_S\vec{g}\cdot d\vec{S} = -4\pi G M_{int}[/tex]
and this other law
$$\oint_{s} \vec{g}\cdot d\vec{s}=0$$
are not emphasized like the maxwell laws ?
 

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