Any Calculus Starter Textbook suggestions?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for calculus textbooks suitable for beginners, particularly for high school students preparing for a calculus course. Participants share various titles and express their opinions on the suitability of these books for different learning levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recommend George Simmons' "Calculus with Analytic Geometry" for its clear exposition and problem sets.
  • Others suggest APEX Calculus as a free resource with engaging content.
  • Several participants list additional books, including titles like Moise's Calculus, Spivak, Apostol, and Thomas-Finney, highlighting their strengths and weaknesses.
  • Concerns are raised about recommending Spivak and Apostol for high school students, with some arguing these texts may be too advanced and could discourage new learners.
  • Some participants advocate for using non-traditional textbooks to make learning calculus more enjoyable.
  • There is mention of online resources like Paul's Online Math Notes as a supplementary option for beginners.
  • Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of certain textbooks for beginners, particularly regarding the complexity and depth of content.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on which textbooks are most suitable for beginners. While some participants agree on the value of certain texts, others strongly disagree, particularly regarding the recommendation of Spivak and Apostol for high school students.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that some recommendations may depend on the learner's background and familiarity with mathematical concepts, indicating a need for careful consideration of the target audience for each textbook.

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I would like to start learning my calculus course before in school. Are here any textbooks or science reading books that would help me with the situation?
 
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I strongly recommend George Simmon's "Calculus with Analytic Geometry". He writes very clear, sophisticated exposition for both high schools and beginning undergraduates. He also has excellent problems sets. I also recommend APEX Calculus, which is free to download and also has fascinating exposition.
 
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bacte2013 said:
I strongly recommend George Simmon's "Calculus with Analytic Geometry". He writes very clear, sophisticated exposition for both high schools and beginning undergraduates. He also has excellent problems sets. I also recommend APEX Calculus, which is free to download and also has fascinating exposition.
Thanks I'll try them
 
Simmons as suggested above is good. I have a lot of other favorites.

There is a small and fun to read book that makes the basics strong. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0883858126/?tag=pfamazon01-20
For Applications, you cannot beat https://www.amazon.com/dp/0992001005/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Great way to quickly learn calculus https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0471827223/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Great book (Q&A style) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486203700/?tag=pfamazon01-20
A really fun book to read https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691161909/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Really good Calculus books: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691130884/?tag=pfamazon01-20 and https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312185480/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Oldies but goldies https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GMPZBGA/?tag=pfamazon01-20, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201048108/?tag=pfamazon01-20, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0030892686/?tag=pfamazon01-20 - These are much better (along with Simmons) than nay of the current calculus books.
A Tutoring Book https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879421835/?tag=pfamazon01-20
An Infinitesimal approach https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486484521/?tag=pfamazon01-20
The book that allegedly taught Feynman https://www.amazon.com/dp/1406756725/?tag=pfamazon01-20
For Problems https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1592575129/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Lastly, there is the best of the best https://www.amazon.com/dp/0914098918/?tag=pfamazon01-20 (although in my opinion it serves the best as the second book rather than the first)

Hope you find something interesting in the above list. If I were you, I would opt for a non traditional textbook and have some fun reading through it. You will have to go through textbooks when they teach you at school anyways. You cannot really go wrong with any of the books I suggested or Simmons.
 
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smodak said:
Simmons as suggested above is good. I have a lot of other favorites.

There is a small and fun to read book that makes the basics strong. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0883858126/?tag=pfamazon01-20
For Applications, you cannot beat https://www.amazon.com/dp/0992001005/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Great way to quickly learn calculus https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0471827223/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Great book (Q&A style) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486203700/?tag=pfamazon01-20
A really fun book to read https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691161909/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Really good Calculus books: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691130884/?tag=pfamazon01-20 and https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312185480/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Oldies but goldies https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GMPZBGA/?tag=pfamazon01-20, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201048108/?tag=pfamazon01-20, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0030892686/?tag=pfamazon01-20 - These are much better (along with Simmons) than nay of the current calculus books.
A Tutoring Book https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879421835/?tag=pfamazon01-20
An Infinitesimal approach https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486484521/?tag=pfamazon01-20
The book that allegedly taught Feynman https://www.amazon.com/dp/1406756725/?tag=pfamazon01-20
For Problems https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1592575129/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Lastly, there is the best of the best https://www.amazon.com/dp/0914098918/?tag=pfamazon01-20 (although in my opinion it serves the best as the second book rather than the first)

Hope you find something interesting in the above list. If I were you, I would opt for a non traditional textbook and have some fun reading through it. You will have to go through textbooks when they teach you at school anyways. You cannot really go wrong with any of the books I suggested or Simmons.

Thanks! Your information is massive!
 
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I can vouch for the Moise Calculus book. Really great book with interesting problems. Shows you the why and how. It is at a bit lower level than Spivak but above Thomas.
 
No list is complete without Apostol's calculus.
 
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M. Spivak
Really an awesome book
 
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Buffu said:
No list is complete without Apostol's calculus.
But it's really much more than calculus. It's also linear algebra, probability theory, ...
 
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Spivak and Apostol are great books and so are Courant and john's calculus books, I in fact suggested Spivak in my post above with a caveat. However, I do not believe Apostol or Spivak should be used as a first calculus book for High School Students.

Spivak https://www.amazon.com/dp/0883858126/?tag=pfamazon01-20that will be appropriate as a great companion for a real textbook - the only reason I did not suggest it above is I do not think this book should be used stand alone and it costs way too much ($48 in Amazon) for what it is.
 
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You really should stop recommending Spivak or Apostol for high school students who have no clue what calculus is. Those of us who understand it find them to be lovely books but I can't think of a better way to make a new student hate math than to suggest to him that those books are representative of what they will likely do with calculus.
 
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alan2 said:
but I can't think of a better way to make a new student hate math than to suggest to him that those books are representative of what they will likely do with calculus.
:)
 
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alan2 said:
You really should stop recommending Spivak or Apostol for high school students who have no clue what calculus is. Those of us who understand it find them to be lovely books but I can't think of a better way to make a new student hate math than to suggest to him that those books are representative of what they will likely do with calculus.

He did offer a word of caution about Spivak/Apostol.

My suggestion would be to get Moise: Calculus. It is between Courant and Stewart/Thomas. It goes over topics, like the Induction Principle, and Well Ordering Principle. Has neat problems. The writing in the text is lucid and clear, and Moise makes the ideas connect in elegant and beautiful ways. He also discusses topics that should be familiar from previous math classes, in a very thoughtful and meaningful way. Why do we call a coordinate system right handed? How did people define the trigonometric functions? It talks about the Winding Function, something that was new to me. Limit laws are clear. Proofs are very clear and offer a lot of insight as to why the theorems hold. A very excellent book!

Get Moise and maybe Thomas/Finnly 9th ed. Use Moise as the main text and Thomas as a supplement.
 
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People above are recommending them. They really are inappropriate for a kid asking to learn calculus but every time the question comes up the same answers are given.

Buffu said:
No list is complete without Apostol's calculus.

Quantum Aravinth said:
M. Spivak
Really an awesome book
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alan2 said:
People above are recommending them. They really are inappropriate for a kid asking to learn calculus but every time the question comes up the same answers are given.

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I am sorry. I recommended that book because other people were recommending all types of books except this one, so I thought I would complete the list.
 
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Well, to recommend good university books for freshmen to high school students is good advice. When I was about in the 8th grade, I had big trouble with mathematics, and I couldn't make sense of my school book nor with the explanations of my teachers. Then I was lucky to find some textbook called "Mathematics for Engineers", which covered the stuff (I think it was elementary Euclidean geometry about triangles, sin, cos, tan, and all that) I had trouble with in a clear and lucid way. It was far from being a strict mathematicians' math textbook, but full with applications and exercises with solutions in the appendix. From that day on math was my favorite subject, and I had good marks too. I even started to self-study math ahead of class getting an idea about calculus (differentiation and integration) quite early. I never could make sense of what was in the school books, but these university books were the door opener for understanding math, and pretty soon I also read introductory textbooks on "true math" with real strict proofs of theorems, a discipline that had not much in common with what's called "math" in school. So good introductory university books can definitely help to motivate high school students to learn a subject, because they teach the subject without hiding it behind well-intended but flawed didactics!
 
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vanhees71 said:
When I was about in the 8th grade, I had big trouble with mathematics, and I couldn't make sense of my school book nor with the explanations of my teachers. ... they teach the subject without hiding it behind well-intended but flawed didactics!
Can you tell now more precisely what exactly was wrong with their way of teaching?
 
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Demystifier said:
Can you tell now more precisely what exactly was wrong with their way of teaching?
I am assuming most of the high school textbook, were full of pictures,diagrams, non related math jargon, and only the calculation aspect. Maybe no explanation from the high school authors as to why we do such and such, and why its important, etc.
 
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Demystifier said:
Can you tell now more precisely what exactly was wrong with their way of teaching?
They taught mathematics as a collection of recipies to solve the standard problems in the books but never explained why these recipies worked, let alone gave proofs (not even heuristic ones). What's even worse is that there was no systematics in teaching the subjects (a contradiction to what imho math is all about). The jumped from one topic (say naive geometry, where we had to construct things with help of a "geo triangle" and a compass; then totally unrelated some algebra like solving for quadratic equations) without any systematics. To me that's a big waste of time: Math should be taught as a way of thinking and a systematic tool to solve problems in everyday life rather than a collection of senseless recipies to solve certain types of textbook problems.
 
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vanhees71 said:
They taught mathematics as a collection of recipies to solve the standard problems in the books but never explained why these recipies worked, let alone gave proofs (not even heuristic ones). What's even worse is that there was no systematics in teaching the subjects (a contradiction to what imho math is all about). The jumped from one topic (say naive geometry, where we had to construct things with help of a "geo triangle" and a compass; then totally unrelated some algebra like solving for quadratic equations) without any systematics. To me that's a big waste of time: Math should be taught as a way of thinking and a systematic tool to solve problems in everyday life rather than a collection of senseless recipies to solve certain types of textbook problems.

I deeply agree with everything you said except
"What's even worse is that there was no systematics in teaching the subjects (a contradiction to what imho math is all about). The jumped from one topic (say naive geometry, where we had to construct things with help of a "geo triangle" and a compass; then totally unrelated some algebra like solving for quadratic equations) without any systematics."
, what do think ? should someone taught everything from differentiation to vector calculus before starting anything else ?

Though I think physics education is the one that is really messed up. They teach concepts of differential equations and vector calculus with shtty hand waving without any proofs, just gives an impression that physics have no formalism in it and people who study physics just do ad-hoc proofs to get desired result.
 
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Buffu said:
Though I think physics education is the one that is really messed up. They teach concepts of differential equations and vector calculus with shtty hand waving without any proofs, just gives an impression that physics have no formalism in it and people who study physics just do ad-hoc proofs to get desired result.
You must be a mathematician. :biggrin:
Just recall how calculus has been introduced by its inventors, Newton and Leibnitz. There is a good reason why hand-waving appeared before the proper proofs.
 
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Demystifier said:
You must be a mathematician. :biggrin:
Just recall how calculus has been introduced by its inventors, Newton and Leibnitz. There is a good reason why hand-waving appeared before the proper proofs.
+1
I need to teach my 15 year old daughter, who is in 9th grade, AP calculus AB and make sure she does well in the exam. I am surely not going to start with Spivak or proofs. I am going to teach her the basics (mainly the concepts and the applications) of limits, continuity, derivatives and integrals and I will teach her to solve a lot of problems (computation and applications). Heck I am even going to buy her a Barron's guide to do well in the exam - which will actually be more useful for her purpose than Spivak or Apostol or proofs. We cannot have the same solution for different problems.

Now read OP's statement:
would like to start learning my calculus course before in school. Are here any textbooks or science reading books that would help me with the situation?
I do not believe OP in a much different situation than my daughter is.
 
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Buffu said:
I deeply agree with everything you said except , what do think ? should someone taught everything from differentiation to vector calculus before starting anything else ?

Though I think physics education is the one that is really messed up. They teach concepts of differential equations and vector calculus with shtty hand waving without any proofs, just gives an impression that physics have no formalism in it and people who study physics just do ad-hoc proofs to get desired result.
I don't think that you should start with calculus in high school. It's not so much the content than the way it's taught I criticize. Math should be taught as a coherent way of thinking about logical "universes", not as a collection of unrelated recipies to solve (often unrealistic and boring) problems in bad textbooks.

Physics is different. I think, my physics education in high school was way better than the mathematics, but maybe that's an exception, because I had an exceptionally good teacher. She worked as a postdoc on atomic physics before becoming a high-school teacher, and she taught the curriculum in a very coherent way, doing a lot of demonstration experiments and, even more important, letting us do experiments as much as possible. We learned a lot on classical physics (mechanics and electrodynamics) and even a good overview on "modern physics" (relativity and quantum theory, even up to simple applications of the Schrödinger equation, atomic and nuclear physics and a glimpse on HEP physics).
 
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vanhees71 said:
I don't think that you should start with calculus in high school. It's not so much the content than the way it's taught I criticize. Math should be taught as a coherent way of thinking about logical "universes", not as a collection of unrelated recipies to solve (often unrealistic and boring) problems in bad textbooks.

Physics is different. I think, my physics education in high school was way better than the mathematics, but maybe that's an exception, because I had an exceptionally good teacher. She worked as a postdoc on atomic physics before becoming a high-school teacher, and she taught the curriculum in a very coherent way, doing a lot of demonstration experiments and, even more important, letting us do experiments as much as possible. We learned a lot on classical physics (mechanics and electrodynamics) and even a good overview on "modern physics" (relativity and quantum theory, even up to simple applications of the Schrödinger equation, atomic and nuclear physics and a glimpse on HEP physics).
How do you learn all that physics without calculus? Perhaps our definition of 'calculus' is different :)
 
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vanhees71 said:
She worked as a postdoc on atomic physics before becoming a high-school teacher

Why did she become a high school teacher ?

smodak said:
How do you learn all that physics without calculus? Perhaps our definition of 'calculus' is different :)

Who needs calculus to do physics in high school ?
 
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Buffu said:
Why did she become a high school teacher ?
Because she did not know 'real' calculus LOL. Sorry could not resist :biggrin:
 
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Buffu said:
Who needs calculus to do physics in high school ?
In my opinion the best way to learn calculus is by doing mechanics and vice versa. Starting with calculus and mechanics together in high school (as I did some 30 years ago) worked well for me.

OP, I apologize. We took this discussion far away from your original question. I will try not to respond off-topic anymore.
 
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smodak said:
In my opinion the best way to learn calculus is by doing mechanics and vice versa. Starting with calculus and mechanics together in high school (as I did some 30 years ago) worked well for me.

OP, I apologize. We took this discussion far away from your original question. I will try not to respond off-topic anymore.

What calculus did you do in mechanics ? because most calculus I did was proof of laws of kinematics.
Taking Maths was not compulsory. You can take Biology instead of Maths and still take Physics.
 

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