Any general RC circuit is never underdamped?

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A general RC circuit, regardless of its topology, is not underdamped, as it does not exhibit oscillatory behavior in its impulse response. The discussion highlights that underdamped systems have poles in the right half-plane, while RC circuits have all poles in the left half-plane, indicating stability. The participants explore the definitions and implications of damping in circuits, noting that oscillation requires inductors, which are absent in pure RC circuits. The conversation also touches on the energy storage mechanisms of capacitors and inductors, emphasizing that resistors only dissipate energy. Overall, the consensus is that RC circuits cannot oscillate on their own, confirming they are never underdamped.
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Question: Is a general RC circuit, with any topology of interconnected R and C elements, never underdamped?

This is a bonus question in one of my homeworks. The answers to the earlier questions in the problem indeed show that two example RC circuits are not underdamped.

I understand how one identifies over-damped, critically damped and under-damped for a small circuit, using the Laplace transform on the differential equation. But for any general RC network, I do not know how to write the equations.

I attempted a proof by induction, but dint get far.

Thanks for the help!
 
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What do you mean on "underdamped"?

ehild
 
I have been thinking about it for a while and came up with the following reasoning:

If all the poles of the transfer function (in s-domain) are in the L.H.P. (left half plane, real part < 0), then the system is not underdamped. So what remains is to show it for a general RC circuit. Any ideas?

Thanks!
 
ehild said:
What do you mean on "underdamped"?

ehild

Ehild,

I checked, but we are not given a definition as such of underdamped. But intuitively, afaik, it means a system where the impulse response oscillates rather than moving monotonically. Actually now I am not sure.
 
Well, I also think that you have to prove that an RC circuit can not oscillate by "itself". I think it can be connected with energy storage. If there are both capacitors and inductors in a circuit, the energy stored in a capacitor is stored in the electric field, that in an inductor is stored in the magnetic field, and it oscillates between the two. Resistors only dissipate (consume) energy.
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Hi Ehild,

Thanks for the reasoning. It really helps a lot. Let me think and see if I can write it out mathematically.
 
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