Applying Integration by Parts & Trig Substitution

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function \(\int\sqrt{4+9x^{2}}dx\), which involves techniques such as integration by parts and trigonometric substitution. Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem without arriving at a final solution.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of integration by parts and trigonometric identities, particularly focusing on the substitution \(u=\sec\theta\) and \(dv=\sec^2\theta d\theta\). There are questions about how to integrate specific terms, such as \(\sec^2\theta\) and \(\tan^2\theta\), and how to manipulate the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided guidance on integrating specific functions and have pointed out relationships between trigonometric identities. There is an ongoing exploration of the integral's structure, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding and resolve their confusion about the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the steps needed to progress from one form of the integral to another, indicating a lack of complete information on how to manipulate the expressions effectively. There is also a recognition of the complexity involved in integrating higher powers of secant.

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Homework Statement



[tex]\int\sqrt{4+9x^{2}}dx[/tex]


Homework Equations


Pythagorean Identities?



The Attempt at a Solution


I find it sort of cumbersome to use the special formatting here, so I hope it is okay that I just photocopied my work on paper.

You can see how far I made it, but now I am stuck. I am pretty sure I need to use integration by parts to finish the problem, but I am not sure how.
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So all you need to do is have

u=secθ and dv=sec2θ dθ

and you know that ∫ u dv = uv - ∫ v du.
 
rock.freak667 said:
So all you need to do is have

u=secθ and dv=sec2θ dθ

and you know that ∫ u dv = uv - ∫ v du.


How do I integrate dv? I know the integral of sec θ = ln ( sec θ + tan θ) + c
But what about sec2?
 
The integral of sec^2(x) is tan(x)+C. You can figure this out by simply noting that the derivative of tan=sin/cos is sec^2.
 
Matterwave said:
The integral of sec^2(x) is tan(x)+C. You can figure this out by simply noting that the derivative of tan=sin/cos is sec^2.

Wow, I can't believe I missed this! Thank you!
 
Alright, I still seem to have a problem. I now have
[tex](3/4)(secθtanθ)-\int tan^{2}θsecθ[/tex]

Where do I go from here?
 
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Is there anyone that can help me finish this problem?
 
wvcaudill2 said:
Is there anyone that can help me finish this problem?

you'll need to put back in 1+tan2θ = sec2θ (yes this will give you back an integral of sec3θ)

Now remember you got something like

∫sec3θ dθ = secθ tanθ - ∫tan2θsecθ dθ

you'll see that you can put the ∫sec3θ dθ (that you get from the substitution) back on the left side. If you don't get what I mean, write it all out and you should hopefully see it.
 
I am still not seeing it.

Currently, I have
[tex]\int sec^{3}Θ = (3/4)(secΘtanΘ - \int tan^{2}ΘsecΘ)[/tex]
 
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wvcaudill2 said:
I am still not seeing it.

Currently, I have
[tex]\int sec^{3}Θ = (3/4)(secΘtanΘ - \int tan^{2}ΘsecΘ)[/tex]


So when you put in [itex]tan^2 \theta = sec^2\theta -1[/itex]

[tex]\int sec^3 \theta d\theta = \frac{3}{4}sec\theta tan\theta - \int sec\theta (sec^2\theta-1) d\theta[/tex]

[tex]\int sec^3 \theta d\theta = \frac{3}{4}sec\theta tan\theta - \int sec^3 \theta d\theta -\int sec \theta d\theta[/tex]

So you can move that ∫ sec3θ dθ to the left side to get 2∫ sec3θ dθ.
 
  • #11
Okay, that's what I thought you wanted me to do. I am now left with this:

[tex](7/4)\int sec^{3}Θ = (3/4)secΘtanΘ - (3/4)ln\left|secΘ + tanΘ\right| + C[/tex]

Now I need to manipulate the fraction so as to get
[tex](4/3)\int sec^{3}Θ[/tex]

How do I do this?
 
  • #12
wvcaudill2 said:
Okay, that's what I thought you wanted me to do. I am now left with this:

[tex](7/4)\int sec^{3}Θ = (3/4)secΘtanΘ - (3/4)ln\left|secΘ + tanΘ\right| + C[/tex]

Now I need to manipulate the fraction so as to get
[tex](4/3)\int sec^{3}Θ[/tex]

How do I do this?

multiply both sides by 4/7 and then multiply by 4/3. The left side would give ∫ (4/3)sec3θ dθ.
 
  • #13
Okay, I got it now. Thanks for all your help!
 

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