Arbitrary choice of origin when linear momentum is zero

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The discussion centers around the relationship between linear momentum and angular momentum in a system of particles, specifically addressing the claim that if the total linear momentum is zero, the angular momentum is independent of the choice of origin. Participants are exploring this concept both intuitively and mathematically.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the intuitive understanding of why angular momentum is independent of the choice of origin when linear momentum is zero.
  • Another participant suggests performing a calculation by substituting a new origin into the definition of angular momentum to see if the displacement cancels out under the condition of zero total momentum.
  • A mathematical expression is presented that attempts to show the relationship between the original and new positions in the context of angular momentum.
  • It is noted that a constant displacement of origin can be factored out of the sum, but the implications of this for intuition remain unclear to some participants.
  • One participant expresses that while the mathematical approach is helpful, it does not provide sufficient intuitive reasoning for the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the intuitive understanding of the concept, and there are varying levels of comfort with the mathematical reasoning presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights a potential gap between mathematical derivation and intuitive understanding, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the implications of the calculations.

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Readers interested in the relationship between linear and angular momentum, particularly in the context of physics education or conceptual understanding of mechanics.

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I read the following in a textbook I'm reading:

If the total linear momentum of a system of particles is zero, then the angular momentum of the system is independent of the choice of origin.

It was given without proof and I've been trying to see why this is the case - mainly intuitively speaking, as it doesn't seem entirely obvious to me, if anyone can provide any insight.
Cheers.
 
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I think you would memorize it best, if you do the calculation by yourself :)
Try pluging in [itex]\vec{r}'=\vec{r}+\vec{a}[/itex] into the definition of angular momentum and see if [itex]\vec{a}[/itex] cancels given [itex]\sum m_i v_i=0[/itex] (zero total momentum).
 
[tex]\displaystyle \Sigma \Right ( r_i \times m_i v_i \Left ) - \Sigma \Right ( (r_i + \alpha_i) \times m_i v_i \Left )[/tex]
which gives
[tex]\Sigma \Right ( \alpha_i \times m_i v_i \Left )[/tex]
not sure why this should be zero though?
 
"a" ist a constant displacement of origin which is the same for all point. Take it out of the sum.
 
Ah yes, although the mathematical solution still doesn't lend much to the intuitive reason behind it at all tbh.
 

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