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what I mean by this is ones that sort of act like or become whatever ailment the person thinks of (like a sort of placebo on steroids)?
The discussion revolves around the concept of diseases or ailments that may mimic or amplify symptoms based on a person's beliefs or perceptions, akin to an exaggerated placebo effect. Participants explore the relationship between psychological factors and physical ailments, as well as the challenges in diagnosing similar conditions.
Participants express differing views on whether psychological factors can lead to the actual manifestation of diseases. There is no consensus on the existence of ailments that can fully mimic or amplify symptoms based solely on belief.
Some claims rely on personal anecdotes and interpretations of psychological phenomena, while others reference specific medical conditions that may complicate diagnosis. The discussion highlights the complexity of distinguishing between psychological and physical symptoms.
There are many ailments that are similar, so tests need to be done to determine which a person actually has. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell them apart.Elijah said:what I mean by this is ones that sort of act like or become whatever ailment the person thinks of (like a sort of placebo on steroids)?
Evo said:There are many ailments that are similar, so tests need to be done to determine which a person actually has. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell them apart.
Of course a person can imagine themselves having any of the ailments, but no, what they believe does not change what they have.
That's what I said, no this is not possible, you can give yourself self perceived "symptoms" but you cannot actually give yourself the disease.Elijah said:I think that this answers my question, but I'm not entirely sure we are talking about the same thing. What I mean is a disease that would take what the mind acts out from the placebo effect and amplify it to the degree where they actually get the full effect, perhaps even a more extreme form. for example, something smaller like seeing a crazy person and becoming crazy, or something larger like thinking of the symptoms of kidney failure then having them happen thus causing your kidney to actually fail. In other words, it becomes a reality (you don't just think it does, or get minor versions like with the placebo effect)
Yet throughout most of Jason's decline, our pediatrician dismissed the notion out of hand.
"There are too many symptoms here and he's way too sick for Lyme disease," he said. Instead, the interpretation he came to favor was psychological: This great collapse could be in Jason's mind.
There are probably some psychological disorders that can act like this i.e. a person with mental health issues is told that their leg is broken and they see and feel the damage of a broken leg. But that would just be perceiving of a symptom, it wouldn't be creating it or the disease.Elijah said:what I mean by this is ones that sort of act like or become whatever ailment the person thinks of (like a sort of placebo on steroids)?