Are There Any Ions with a +4 Charge?

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The discussion centers around the search for metal ions with a +4 charge, particularly in relation to oxidation states. The original poster, Adam, expresses frustration with his coursework and seeks examples of +4 cations. Participants mention several candidates, including lead (Pb) and titanium (Ti), while noting the importance of solubility in water. There is a focus on understanding how to identify +4 cations using the periodic table, with references to group and row characteristics. Tin (Sn) is also discussed, particularly its +4 chloride form, although concerns about solubility are raised. A suggestion is made to consider cerium (Ce4+) as a viable option. The conversation reflects a mix of confusion and exploration of metal chemistry, emphasizing the challenges of learning and applying these concepts.
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My coursework is ruined, but I am not asking for help with my coursework.

Does anyone know if there is a ion with a charge of +4. I might not be making sense. I know about Copper Chloride (CuCl+2) and Silver Nitrate (AgNO3+1) and Iron III Chloride (FeCl+3). Does anyone know of a plus 4?

I think its to do with oxidisation states of metals?

Much appreciated, Adam
 
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Several that I can think off. Just looking at periodic table you should be able to guess at least some of them.
 
i have noted a few down, e.g Pb, NH, Ti, they need to be solouble in water. Is there a way of telling form the periodic table what elements can be 4+? is that to do with groups or rows? thankyou

edit : ignore NH, its not metallic
 
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Pb should be obvious - 4th group (look harder in the same group :wink:). When it comes to Ti it is a little bit more complicated, but when you look at its configuration - s2d2 - it is not that surprising that it can lost four electrons.
 
sorry, I am starting to get confused here. I've had a crap day learning my coursework is all wrong :L Isnt Tin Sn? but tin-tetra chloride has +4 charged chlorine atoms dosent it? I am looking for a +4 solution where the cations are a metal. e.g copper or silver. I've drawn a blank so far looking.

I looked at lead but apparently it is near impossible to disolve in water.

Do you know if there is any i can use? I am getting stuck
 
Tin(IV) chloride is a good idea, even if the solution probably doesn't contain Sn4+ cations - my guess is that in neutral or alkaline solution it will be present as some oxoanion, and in low pH it will be complexed by whatever anions will be present.

Check Ce4+.
 
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