Are X & Y Equal in Matrix Equations?

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The discussion revolves around two matrix equations, C^T X = K and Y C^T = K, and whether the matrices X and Y are equal. It is clarified that X does not necessarily equal Y, as substituting K from the second equation into the first leads to C^T X = Y C^T, which does not imply X = Y. To find Y, it is suggested to use Y = K (C^T)^(-1) or solve the linear system for the components of Y directly. The importance of calculating the matrices explicitly to compare them is emphasized, and the conversation touches on the use of calculators for matrix operations. Ultimately, Fred confirms he has arrived at the correct result.
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Hi

I have this following problem:

Two matrix equations are given

C^{T} X = K \ \ Y C^{T} = K

where K, X,Y and C are square matrices. If I want to calculate X in equation 1 and Y in equation 2 I multiply with {C^{T}}^{(-1)} one both sides of each equation.

The resulting matrix X in equation is still equal to Matrix Y in equation two ??

/Fred
 
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Not necessarily!
Substitute into equation 1 the expression for K from equation 2:
C^{T}X=YC^{T}
which, assuming invertibility of C^{T} can be rewritten as:
C^{T}X(C^{T})^{(-1)}=Y
Why should we have X=Y?
 
Hi but how do I calculate Y in equation 2 ?

Hope You can help to understand why X could equal Y ?

Sincerley and Best Regards,

Fred

p.s.

Here are the matrices used in the equations..

C = \left[ \begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 1 & 2 \\1 & 2 & 4 \\ 2 & -5 & 2 \end{array} \right] and K = \left[ \begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 2 & 4 \\-3 & 2 & 0 \\ -1 & -1 & 2 \end{array} \right]

arildno said:
Not necessarily!
Substitute into equation 1 the expression for K from equation 2:
C^{T}X=YC^{T}
which, assuming invertibility of C^{T} can be rewritten as:
C^{T}X(C^{T})^{(-1)}=Y
Why should we have X=Y?
 
Mathman23 said:
Hi but how do I calculate Y in equation 2 ?

Hope You can help to understand why X could equal Y ?

Sincerley and Best Regards,

Fred

p.s.

Here are the matrices used in the equations..

C = \left[ \begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 1 & 2 \\1 & 2 & 4 \\ 2 & -5 & 2 \end{array} \right] and K = \left[ \begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 2 & 4 \\-3 & 2 & 0 \\ -1 & -1 & 2 \end{array} \right]

Given these two, you can calculate X and Y explicitly and compare them. They are not equal
 
Hi and Thank You for Your answer,

Does Y = K {C^{T}}^{(-1)} ?

OlderDan said:
Given these two, you can calculate X and Y explicitly and compare them. They are not equal
 
Mathman23 said:
Hi and Thank You for Your answer,

Does Y = K ]{C^{T}}^{(-1)} ?
Correct; however, if you haven't got the explicit expression for (C^{T})^{(-1)}
it is better to solve the linear system for the 9 components of Y instead

(In order for two matrices to be equal, their components must be equal; this gives you 9 equations.)
 
arildno said:
Correct; however, if you haven't got the explicit expression for (C^{T})^{(-1)}
it is better to solve the linear system for the 9 components of Y instead

(In order for two matrices to be equal, their components must be equal; this gives you 9 equations.)

Good point. After a long period of doing other things my introduction to these calculators the students all now have has been fairly recent. Punching in a 3 by 3 and hitting the T and -1 buttons is now such a trivial exercise I didn't even think of doing it by hand :smile:
 
Calculators??
Are those the things with frills and pink ribbons about them?
I don't like that..
 
Hi

I got the correct result now.

Thanks for Your answers,

/Fred

arildno said:
Calculators??
Are those the things with frills and pink ribbons about them?
I don't like that..
 
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