Average Velocity for Three People's Trips

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average velocity of three individuals traveling at different speeds. The velocities provided are 10.2 m/s, 10.4 m/s, and 3.51 m/s, all in the forward direction. The original poster expresses confusion over their calculated average velocity of 8.0 m/s compared to the textbook's answer of 4.89 m/s.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of averaging the velocities by summing their magnitudes and dividing by three. Questions arise regarding whether the individuals traveled for identical times or distances, and the implications of these factors on the average velocity calculation. Some suggest considering the root mean square as an alternative approach.

Discussion Status

Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the conditions under which the average velocity should be calculated. Some participants have offered guidance on checking assumptions about the problem statement and the direction of travel. The discussion remains open with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty about whether the individuals traveled for the same amount of time or over the same distance, which could significantly affect the average velocity calculation. The original poster insists that the velocities were copied correctly from the textbook.

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Person A travels 10.2m/s[forward]. Person B travels 10.4m/s[forward]. Person C travels 3.51m/s[forward]. Find the average velocity for the trio.I added all 3 velocities(just the magnitudes) and divided by 3, but my answer was different from the textbook's. I got 8.0m/s[forward], but the answer in the book is 4.89m/s[forward]. I don't know what I did wrong.
 
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Balsam said:
Person A travels 10.2m/s[forward]. Person B travels 10.4m/s[forward]. Person C travels 3.51m/s[forward]. Find the average velocity for the trio.I added all 3 velocities(just the magnitudes) and divided by 3, but my answer was different from the textbook's. I got 8.0m/s[forward], but the answer in the book is 4.89m/s[forward]. I don't know what I did wrong.
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Now, please show your detailed calculations so we can look for any errors. :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Please remember to use the Homework Help Template when posting here in the schoolwork forums. Thank you.

Now, please show your detailed calculations so we can look for any errors. :smile:

10.2+10.4+3.51=24.11--> 24.11/3= ~8.0m. <-- That is what I did
 
Balsam said:
10.2+10.4+3.51=24.11--> 24.11/3= ~8.0m. <-- That is what I did
Your work looks correct. Are you sure you copied the problem statement correctly? Are you sure they all were moving in the same direction (forward)? Are they all facing the same direction as they move?
 
berkeman said:
Your work looks correct. Are you sure you copied the problem statement correctly? Are you sure they all were moving in the same direction (forward)? Are they all facing the same direction as they move?
Yes, I'm sure. All of the individual velocity values are given in the textbook, I copied them correctly.
 
Balsam said:
Yes, I'm sure. All of the individual velocity values are given in the textbook, I copied them correctly.
Is there a figure that goes with the question? Can you upload a picture of the question?
 
Balsam said:
Person A travels 10.2m/s[forward]. Person B travels 10.4m/s[forward]. Person C travels 3.51m/s[forward]. Find the average velocity for the trio.
Are these traveling for identical times OR for identical distances?

Example: 3 friends in a car take turns at driving ...

EDIT: either way, still can't get the book's answer though
 
NascentOxygen said:
Are these traveling for identical times, or over identical distances?

Example: 3 friends in a car take turns at driving ...

EDIT: either way, still can't get the book's answer though
Try root mean square. Ans comes close.
That could be the method.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Are these traveling for identical times OR for identical distances?

Example: 3 friends in a car take turns at driving ...

EDIT: either way, still can't get the book's answer though
I figured it out-- you have to add all of their displacements to get the total displacement, then add all of their times to get the total time, and then divide those 2 numbers to get their average velocity.
 
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Balsam said:
I figured it out-- you have to add all of their displacements to get the total displacement, then add all of their times to get the total time, and then divide those 2 numbers to get their average velocity.
Does that get you to the book's answer?
 
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256bits said:
Try root mean square. Ans comes close.
That could be the method.
Interesting...but on what basis could you justify RMS?
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Does that get you to the book's answer?
Yeah, it does.
 
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Balsam said:
Yeah, it does.
Using your method I don't get the textbook's answer.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Interesting...but on what basis could you justify RMS?
RMS doesn't give the book answer either I believe, but I was considering a velocity distribution ( 3 points ?? ).
Is that valid for velocities in one direction - I can's say.
The answer seems to be weighted towards the slower individual though.
 

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