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The discussion revolves around calculating the efficiency of a thermodynamic cycle involving a monatomic ideal gas. The net energy entering the system as heat and the net work done by the gas were both determined to be 970 J. However, confusion arises regarding the efficiency calculation, with the correct efficiency being 0.1338, contrary to the assumption that work equals heat input (W = Q_H). It is clarified that in a cycle, not all heat input can be converted to work due to energy losses. The relationship between heat and work in the cycle is emphasized, highlighting that the internal energy change is zero, which affects the calculations.
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Homework Statement



Suppose 1.0 mol of a monatomic ideal gas initially at 10L and 302K is heated at constant volume to 604K, allowed to expand isothermally to its initial pressure, and finally compressed at constant pressure to its original volume, pressure, and temperature.

(c)What is the net energy entering the system (the gas) as heat during the cycle?
(d)What is the net work done by the gas during the cycle?
(e)What is the efficiency of the cycle?


Homework Equations



\varepsilon = \frac{W}{Q_H}

The Attempt at a Solution



This is a previous test that I took. I got the correct answers for parts c and d (both are 970 J), but I'm stumped for part e; I did not get the correct answser at the time, and my work makes no sense to me.
Looking at it afresh, I don't understand why the answer isn't 1: after all, doesn't W=Q_H? But I have down that the correct answer should be 0.1338 :confused:
 
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mbrmbrg said:

Homework Statement



Suppose 1.0 mol of a monatomic ideal gas initially at 10L and 302K is heated at constant volume to 604K, allowed to expand isothermally to its initial pressure, and finally compressed at constant pressure to its original volume, pressure, and temperature.

(c)What is the net energy entering the system (the gas) as heat during the cycle?
(d)What is the net work done by the gas during the cycle?
(e)What is the efficiency of the cycle?


Homework Equations



\varepsilon = \frac{W}{Q_H}

The Attempt at a Solution



This is a previous test that I took. I got the correct answers for parts c and d (both are 970 J), but I'm stumped for part e; I did not get the correct answser at the time, and my work makes no sense to me.
Looking at it afresh, I don't understand why the answer isn't 1: after all, doesn't W=Q_H? But I have down that the correct answer should be 0.1338 :confused:
No. W = Qh - Qc. The work done is always less than the heat flow into the system. The efficiency is simply the answer to part d) divided by the answer to part c). [Note: The answers to c) and d) cannot be the same]

AM
 
It's a cycle, though. So \Delta E = Q - W = 0 \Longrightarrow Q=W.

I checked with my friend (who got full credit for this question), but I really don't understand what she did.
What I remember is \varepsilon = \frac{W}{Q_H} = \frac{W}{Q_{?}+Q_{?*}}
where ? and ?* are two of the three stages of the cycle. That formula turned into something terribly confusing with two terms, one with a ln and one with a volume difference.

Maybe I'll ask my friend for her test and post her work up here; this is from the first test of the semester and none of us understand why her formula works. Doubtful if we understood it at the time, either... Sigh.
 
mbrmbrg said:
It's a cycle, though. So \Delta E = Q - W = 0 \Longrightarrow Q=W.
Since it is a thermodynamic cycle, some of the heat flowing from the hot reservoir energy cannot be used to do work. So there is a loss of energy each cycle.

The system returns to its original state so there is no change in internal energy over the cycle. In the forward part of the cycle (heat absorbed and work done):

Q_h = \Delta U_{fwd} + W_{fwd}

In the return part of the cycle (heat expelled, work consumed):

Q_c = \Delta U_{ret} + W_{ret}

So over the whole cycle:

Q_h + Q_c = \Delta U_{fwd} + \Delta U_{ret} + W_{fwd} + W_{ret}

Since \Delta U_{fwd} + \Delta U_{ret} = 0, (no change in internal energy),

Q_h + Q_c = Qh -|Qc| = W_{fwd} + W_{ret} = W_{net}

AM
 
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