Engine Efficiency: Find ΔW & ΔQh

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency of a heat engine operating with an ideal gas through various thermodynamic processes: isobaric expansion, adiabatic expansion, and isothermal contraction. Participants are tasked with calculating work (ΔW) and heat (ΔQh) for each leg of the cycle to determine the engine's efficiency.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss making a PV diagram and calculating work and heat for each leg of the cycle. There are questions about the appropriate formulas for work and heat, and some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the definitions of efficiency.

Discussion Status

Multiple participants have shared their calculations for work and heat, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definition of efficiency and the identification of heat input during the cycle.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific rules on how to approach the problem and what information can be used. There is also an ongoing discussion about the correct interpretation of heat transfer in the context of the engine's efficiency.

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Homework Statement


An ideal gas with Cv = 5 2R, and γ = 1.4 starts at a volume of 1.5m3 , a pressure of 2.0×105Pa ,and a temperature of 300K. It undergoes an isobaric expansion until the volume is V , then undergoes an adiabatic expansion until the volume is 6.0m3 , and finally undergoes an isothermal contraction until it reaches the original state.

Homework Equations


What is the efficiency of this heat engine?

The Attempt at a Solution


I am aware that the answer is 0.19, and that efficiency is ∆W/∆Qh but I am unsure of how to find ∆W and ∆Qh in this scenario.
 
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Make a PV diagram and calculate W and Q for each leg of the cycle.
 
There is usually a formula for W, but what is the formula for Q?
 
DrClaude said:
Make a PV diagram and calculate W and Q for each leg of the cycle.
I did the calculations for the W and Q for each PV leg and got:
W= 146000 for isobaric, W = 346524 for adiabatic, and W = -415888 for isothermic.
Q = 511000 Q= 0 Q = W = -415888
Adding these up I get 94636/95112 = 0.99. I know the answer is not that. Any ideas of what I could be doing wrong?
 
DrClaude said:
Make a PV diagram and calculate W and Q for each leg of the cycle.
What is the next step after I calculate the W and Q for each leg of the cycle?
 
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physics123 said:
I did the calculations for the W and Q for each PV leg and got:
W= 146000 for isobaric, W = 346524 for adiabatic, and W = -415888 for isothermic.
Q = 511000 Q= 0 Q = W = -415888
Adding these up I get 94636/95112 = 0.99. I know the answer is not that. Any ideas of what I could be doing wrong?
Please show the details of your work.
 
Chestermiller said:
Please show the details of your work.
Isobaric: W = P∆V = (2x10^5)(2.23-1.5) = 146000J Q = (C/R)(Vf-Vi)p = 3.5(2.23-1.5)2x10^5 = 511000J
Adiabatic: W = (K (Vf1-gamma - Vi1-gamma) )/(1-gamma) where K = PV1-gamma = (2x10^5)2.231.4 = 614690
W = 614690 ( 0.4884-0.72556) / -0.4 = 364524J Q = 0
Isothermic: W = PiVi ln(vf/vi) = (6)(5x10^4) ln(1.5/6) = -415888 Q = -W

Now to add the Ws, and the Qs. W = 146000 + 364524 + -415888 = 94636 Q = 511000 + 415888 = 926888
e = W/Q = 94636/926888 = 0.10
which is incorrect. Any ideas?
 
physics123 said:
Isobaric: W = P∆V = (2x10^5)(2.23-1.5) = 146000J Q = (C/R)(Vf-Vi)p = 3.5(2.23-1.5)2x10^5 = 511000J
Adiabatic: W = (K (Vf1-gamma - Vi1-gamma) )/(1-gamma) where K = PV1-gamma = (2x10^5)2.231.4 = 614690
W = 614690 ( 0.4884-0.72556) / -0.4 = 364524J Q = 0
Isothermic: W = PiVi ln(vf/vi) = (6)(5x10^4) ln(1.5/6) = -415888 Q = -W
OK. For the isothermic you have that Q = -W. Should that be Q = +W?

Now to add the Ws, and the Qs. W = 146000 + 364524 + -415888 = 94636 Q = 511000 + 415888 = 926888
e = W/Q = 94636/926888 = 0.10
which is incorrect. Any ideas?
The definition of efficiency is Wcycle/Qin where Qin is the amount of heat that went into the engine during the cycle rather than the total Q for the entire cycle. So, identify the part or parts of the cylce where heat went into the engine.
 
TSny said:
OK. For the isothermic you have that Q = -W. Should that be Q = +W?


The definition of efficiency is Wcycle/Qin where Qin is the amount of heat that went into the engine during the cycle rather than the total Q for the entire cycle. So, identify the part or parts of the cylce where heat went into the engine.
i found the answer, thanks everyone
 
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physics123 said:
i found the answer, thanks everyone
Actually, to do this, all you have to do is. to get the three heats:

Q1 =511000

Q2 = 0

Q3 = -415888

So, the work is W = Q1 + Q2 +Q3 = 95112

So the efficiency is 95112/511000
 
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