Engineering Basic circuit operation of voltage regulator

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The discussion centers on the operation of a voltage regulator circuit, specifically the roles of components R1, R2, Q1, and Q2. R1 acts as a sensing resistor that triggers Q1 to pass current when it detects a voltage drop. Excess current through Q1 activates R2, which in turn switches on Q2, diverting current away from Q1 to prevent overload. The mechanism involves a forward-biased zener diode within the regulator that helps manage excess current and protect the load. Overall, the conversation clarifies the cause-and-effect relationship among the components in regulating voltage and current.
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I need to know if my understanding of this circuit is correct in terms of R1, R2, Q1, Q2.

R1 is a sensing resistor and when Q1 senses a voltage drop at its base, it switches on and passes current around the regulator. I think when there is excess current at Q1 it switches off and error resistor R2 senses a volt drop to switch on Q2 at the base to divert current away from Q1. I think I'm close, who knows.
 
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I agree with your first sentence.

The second sentence is a bit confusing in that cause and effect seem out of order.
CNC101 said:
...when there is excess current at Q1 it switches off and error resistor R2 senses a volt drop...

How can R2 sense anything if Q1 is off?
When Q2 is turned on, what happens to the voltage across R1?
 
R1 is a sensing resistor and when Q1 senses a voltage drop at its base, it switches on and passes current around the regulator. When the voltage across R2 (error resistor) increases to a value just below Q1 max emitter-collector current limit, Q2 switches on and shunts R1 by creating a low resistance path and diverting current into the regulator and thus protecting the "pass transistor" Q1 from overload current.
 
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Well... mostly. I think I'll be a little picky here.

CNC101 said:
...a low resistance path and diverting current into the regulator...

Could you explain the mechanism that causes the current diversion into the regulator?
 
Well I think inside the regulator is a forward biased zener diode which diverts excess current to its ground or "ADJ" in the diagram. Its own low resistance path means large changes of current have a small affect on its voltage and therefore protecting the load from excess current.
 
The first sentence in your original post was an the right track.
CNC101 said:
R1 is a sensing resistor and when Q1 senses a voltage drop at its base, it switches on and passes current around the regulator.

Here is why I said cause and effect were out of order in post #2.
When there is excess current thru Q1, the voltage drop across R2 turns on Q2. Q2 shorts R1 depriving Q1 of base drive. This forces the regulator to handle most of the load current, and the regulator either goes into current limit or shuts down due to over heating.

BTW: The regulator output stage is very much like the R1, R2, Q1, Q2 circuit. The difference is that the base of Q1 is also driven by the difference between the ADJ input and an internal reference voltage (often around 1.25V). If you're interested, there is a regulator schematic on pg.12 at http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm117.pdf. The output stage (Q1 in your ckt.) is Q25,26 on the right edge of the diagram, and the overcurrent sense resistor is R26 (R2 in your ckt.)
 
Well I know a lot more now than when I started, Thanks!
 

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