Bibliography to understand Fermi, Bose and Boltzmann statistics?

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The discussion revolves around the understanding of Fermi, Bose, and Boltzmann statistics within the context of statistical mechanics. Participants seek recommendations for literature that clarifies these concepts, particularly focusing on the occupation number in Fermi gases and the derivation of state equations for fermions and bosons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the occupation number in Fermi gases, questioning why it can only be 0 or 1 despite the presence of many particles.
  • Another participant suggests that the questions raised pertain more to basic quantum mechanics than to statistical mechanics, recommending various texts for better understanding.
  • Multiple participants recommend specific chapters from different textbooks, including Reif, Schroeder, and Pathria, for their detailed explanations of canonical and grand canonical partition functions.
  • Some participants criticize Huang's textbook, describing it as lacking clarity and skipping crucial steps in deductions, while others defend its authority despite its complexity.
  • A participant draws a parallel between Huang's text and Weinberg's work in quantum field theory, suggesting that both may be difficult to learn from initially but are authoritative once foundational knowledge is established.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the quality of Huang's textbook, with some participants strongly criticizing it while others acknowledge its authority despite its challenges. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best resources for understanding the statistical mechanics concepts in question.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics, indicating that assumptions about prior knowledge may differ. The discussion highlights the complexity of the subject matter and the potential gaps in foundational understanding among participants.

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I'm studying by Statistical Mechanics (Huang, page 180) but can't understand many things there, can anyone provide a good bibliography to study this? I don't understand what's an occupation number of a given momentum: if it's the number of particles with that given momentum, why can it only be 0 or 1 in Fermi gas, doesn't the gas has a lot of particles which can possibly have that momentum? And why is momentum written like:

[tex]p = \frac{h}{L}\underset{n}{\rightarrow}[/tex]

where n is a vector which components are 0 or integers, and L is the cube root volume of the system.
 
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All of your questions concern very basic quantum mechanics rather than statistical mechanics. Thankfully, most stat mech books will give a brief overview of the relevant QM when delving into quantum stat mech. I wouldn't recommend using Huang by the way-it's a terrible, terrible book.

I would recommend, for your purposes:

-Chapter 9 of "Fundamentals of Statistical and Thermal Physics"-Reif
-Chapter 7 and Appendix A of "An Introduction to Thermal Physics-Schroeder
-Chapter 5 of "Statistical Mechanics"-Pathria
-Chapters 3,4,5 of the following notes by the almighty Kip Thorne: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/
 
WannabeNewton said:
All of your questions concern very basic quantum mechanics rather than statistical mechanics. Thankfully, most stat mech books will give a brief overview of the relevant QM when delving into quantum stat mech. I wouldn't recommend using Huang by the way-it's a terrible, terrible book.

I would recommend, for your purposes:

-Chapter 9 of "Fundamentals of Statistical and Thermal Physics"-Reif
-Chapter 7 and Appendix A of "An Introduction to Thermal Physics-Schroeder
-Chapter 5 of "Statistical Mechanics"-Pathria
-Chapters 3,4,5 of the following notes by the almighty Kip Thorne: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/

Well in the course of Quantum Mechanics I took we didn't speak of any of these things, or we did indirectly and I'm not making the connection, so my questions remain. Ty
 
Tosh5457 said:
Well in the course of Quantum Mechanics I took we didn't speak of any of these things, or we did indirectly and I'm not making the connection, so my questions remain. Ty

I see. We did in my QM course so I assumed it was standard. Anyways, see section 3.2.5. of Kip Thorne's notes on kinetic theory: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/1103.1.K.pdf

In principle this section should answer all of your questions but if not you can always ask more specific questions based on said section.
 
WannabeNewton said:
I see. We did in my QM course so I assumed it was standard. Anyways, see section 3.2.5. of Kip Thorne's notes on kinetic theory: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/1103.1.K.pdf

In principle this section should answer all of your questions but if not you can always ask more specific questions based on said section.

Thanks it did. Now I need to learn how to deduce the state equations for fermions and bosons gas, and write the grand canonical partition function for them, as well as Boltzmann's. I'll be heading to the library tomorrow, which of those books do you think explains that? Huang is really a terrible book, it has the content but the deductions skip a lot of crucial steps IMO, and unfortunately is the book my teacher is following.
 
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Get Reif and Pathria. In chapter 9 Reif calculates the canonical partition functions for Fermi and Bose gases in full detail and computes their thermodynamic properties right after. Pathria has a section on the grand canonical ensemble for quantum mechanical systems in chapter 5.
 
WannabeNewton said:
I wouldn't recommend using Huang by the way-it's a terrible, terrible book.

:smile: It's not! It's a terrible, terrible, terrible book.

One redeeming feature was that the edition I had had a cover that was nice to touch.
 
If Huang is so terrible terrible terrible book, then why do specialists and teachers of statistical physics so often cite and recommend it?
 
Demystifier said:
If Huang is so terrible terrible terrible book, then why do specialists and teachers of statistical physics so often cite and recommend it?

I found it inscrutable to learn from. It's authoritative after one has learned a bit.
 
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atyy said:
I found it inscrutable to learn from. It's authoritative after one has learned a bit.
So it's something like Weinberg for quantum field theory.
 

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