Boltzmann Probability: Calculating Probability of Bound States for Hemoglobin

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of bound states for hemoglobin using Boltzmann's Law. The original poster is attempting to understand how to apply the law to a system with multiple states of hemoglobin, specifically focusing on the unbound and bound states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the states (unbound and bound) and how to represent them in terms of energy states. There are questions about the partition function and the implications of the total probability being equal to one.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the formulation of the probabilities and the need for normalization in the equations. There is ongoing exploration of the correct expression for the probabilities, with various interpretations being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of numerical values and specific energy states, which complicates the ability to derive a definitive answer. The original poster is preparing for an exam, which adds a layer of urgency to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Simplistically, hemoglobin can exist in 5 states (0,1,2,3 or 4 bound O2). Name each state accordingly as UB (unbound) and B1, B2, B3, and B4 (for the four bound states). Using Boltzmann's Law, write down the probability that the molecule exists in a bound form.



Homework Equations



Here's Boltzmann's Law as I know it:

Pa/Pb = 1/z * exp[Ui/KbT]

where:

Pa: Probability A
Pb: Probability B
z: partition function
Ui: energy state
Kb: Boltzmann's constant
T: Temperature in K



The Attempt at a Solution



This problem is on a study guide for an exam on Monday morning. This is tough, because the instructor did not explain very well how to use Boltzmann's Law for this sort of problem. If someone could point me in the right direction, it would be a giant help.
 
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The equation is actually an example of a probability distribution (the Boltzmann distribution). In this case you can think of it as the the probability that the system will be in a state with a specific energy.

First of all, remember that the probability that the system is in SOME state must be 1 (so what is Pb?) and the probability for each of the other states should be a number between 0 and 1.

What is the partition function in this case?
Also, to keep your answer as simple as possible: what is the probability that the molecule exists in the UB form?
 
Hi F95toli,

Thanks greatly for your suggestions. So do I treat the B1, B2,...etc. and UB as energy states? What do I do with the KbT?

So to start, I would take out the Pb and set Pa=1?

z=5?

I'm lost on this one...
 

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*Look at eq. 1 on this wiki page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell-Boltzmann_distribution

This is essentially the equation above. However, look at what is written instead of your "Pb"

also look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_factor

which is perhaps easier to understand and relates to the point I made above about the total probability being 1.

And yes, the different states must have different energies; otherwise they would have the same probability.

kBT will be a parameter in the final expression since you don't know the temperature.
 
F95toli,

Thanks again for all your help. So based on all the great info that you've provided me, here's what I think the final solution would be:

4/5 = exp(-UB/KT) / [exp(-B1/KT) + exp(-B2/KT) + exp(-B3/KT) + exp(-B4/KT)]

Where UB= energy state of Unboud
B!, B2...etc = engergy states of Bound

Is this correct?
 
No, not quite. Although you are quite close.
First of all: there is no way to get a numerical answer from the information you have been provided with, so I don't know where you get the "4/5" from.

The right hand side is close. However, remember that you need to normalize with the sum of ALL Boltzmann factors (there is one factor missing).
Also, the question was what the probability is that the molecule exists in bound form.
 
P = exp(-B/KT) / [exp(-B1/KT) + exp(-B2/KT) + exp(-B3/KT) + exp(-B4/KT)+exp(-UB/KT)]


F95toli,

How does this look? Thanks,

Jim
 
So here's the corrected answer:

P = [exp(-B1/kT)+exp(-B2/kT)+exp(-B3/kT)+exp(-B4/kT)] /
[exp(-B1/kT)+exp(-B2/kT)+exp(-B3/kT)+exp(-B4/kT)+exp(-UB/kT)]

Is this correct?

Thanks greatly,

Jim
 

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