Brushed motor solid magnet strength

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the strength of the solid magnet in a brushed DC motor and its impact on motor performance. Participants explore whether a stronger magnet is necessary for creating a powerful motor, considering design choices between existing ferrite magnets and electromagnets.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of a strong solid magnet for a strong motor, suggesting that the relationship is not straightforward.
  • Another participant notes that a stronger magnet can lead to fewer turns in the winding, potentially increasing efficiency by reducing losses in winding resistance.
  • There is a discussion about what constitutes a "strong" motor, with one participant defining it in terms of horsepower and high RPM.
  • Some participants emphasize that while a stronger magnet might improve efficiency, both strong and weak magnets can yield a "strong" motor under certain assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between magnet strength and motor performance, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention real-world effects that limit motor power delivery, but the specifics of these limitations are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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hi guys! i was wondering if the solid magnet part of a brushed dc motor needs to be strong in order to make a strong motor? I'm designing a motor from scratch and wondering if i should use an existing ferrite magnet that is somewhat strong or should I design a electromagnet that is stronger.

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A agree. You need to read up on DC motors.

It may seem obvious that a stronger magnet will give a stronger motor but it's not that simple. The strength of the magnet has an effect on the number of turns required to achieve the desired "no load rpm". Using a stronger magnet allows you to use fewer turns and so reduces losses in the winding resistance. In short a stronger magnet might produce a more efficient motor but (with some assumptions) both can produce a "strong" motor.

That said what do you mean by a "strong" motor? An ideal motor turns all the electrical power into mechanical power so they are all as "strong" as the power source. In the end it's real world effects that limit how much power a motor can deliver.
 
CWatters said:
A agree. You need to read up on DC motors.

It may seem obvious that a stronger magnet will give a stronger motor but it's not that simple. The strength of the magnet has an effect on the number of turns required to achieve the desired "no load rpm". Using a stronger magnet allows you to use fewer turns and so reduces losses in the winding resistance. In short a stronger magnet might produce a more efficient motor but (with some assumptions) both can produce a "strong" motor.

That said what do you mean by a "strong" motor? An ideal motor turns all the electrical power into mechanical power so they are all as "strong" as the power source. In the end it's real world effects that limit how much power a motor can deliver.

what I mean by strong is lots of horsepower, preferably high rpm

thanks for the replies everyone especially for that link, ultrafastped
 
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