Bullet trajectories and Newton's Principia

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The discussion centers around the comparison of bullet trajectories to the trajectories of cannonballs as described in Newton's Principia. Participants explore the implications of firing projectiles from a height and how different forces affect their paths.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the effects of gravity on both bullets and cannonballs, questioning how their trajectories differ. They explore the angles at which projectiles are fired and the impact of air resistance on their paths.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the differences between bullet and cannonball trajectories, with some participants suggesting that the angle of fire and air resistance may play significant roles. However, there is no explicit consensus on the key differences, and participants express a desire for further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants are encouraged to focus on kinematic aspects rather than forces or circular motion, which adds a layer of complexity to their discussion. The original poster expresses difficulty in grasping the concepts within the constraints of their course material.

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Homework Statement



Newton's Principia suggested that if you fire a cannon from a high mountain it could fall, circle the earth, or fly away depending on how hard it was fired. Describe how this compares to bullet trajectories. What is the major difference with this trajectory? (for visualizing, see: http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/more_stuff/Applets/newt/newtmtn.html )

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, with this problem I get that if you fire a cannon it could react this way , due to the fact the cannonball would a) succumb to gravity b) get caught betweens Earth's gravity field and begin to orbit or, C) would fly off into space in accordance to Newtons law of motion.

What I don't get is how this compares to bullet trajectory. As far as I understand this would be the same case for a bullet trajectory, with the only difference being F=ma. (please correct me if I am wrong here)

but as this is a kinematics section of a course, it seems that the force answer was not the correct one. Can anyone explain the similarities and differences in terms of kinematics, not force or circular motion (if possible) as I am struggling to grasp this in kinematic terms.

thanks in advance,
 
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The force of gravity should have the same effect on the bullet as on the cannonball.

According to the picture, the cannon is always fired horizontally.
A bullet fired near the surface of the Earth usually is angled upward, even when aimed at a target at the same height. Could that be the "major difference"? Another factor is air resistance, much less up at mountain height.
 
hmm yes I think that may be part of it. I still just don't feel totally satisfied with that answer. I just feel as though something is missing. maybe I am just trying to complicate the matter.
 
Me, too. Another thing; the bullet from a gun is of lower speed than something that can go into an orbit, so its trajectory will be a parabola in contrast to the circle or ellipse of the orbiting cannonball.
 

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