Buoyancy correction in a Kater's pendulum

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The discussion revolves around deriving an equation to correct for buoyancy in the context of Kater's pendulum experiment. The original poster presents a specific equation for gravitational acceleration, ##g_c##, which incorporates various parameters including amplitude, length, and densities.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the buoyancy effect from torque equations but encounters discrepancies in their results. They express confusion regarding the derivation process and seek clarification on their approach.

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Participants are engaging in a productive dialogue, with some suggesting expansions of terms to explore the relationship between the variables involved. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's efforts and a shared exploration of the mathematical reasoning behind the problem.

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Homework Statement



Hi everybody! While preparing my next experiment (Kater's pendulum), I was given for homework to derive an equation to correct the buoyancy when calculating ##g##. I am given the result:

##g_c = (\frac{2 \pi}{T(\varphi_0)})^2 l_r (1 + \frac{\varphi_0^2}{8} + \frac{\rho_L}{\rho})##

where ##\varphi_0## is the amplitude, ##l_r## is the length of the equivalent simple pendulum, ##\rho_L## is the density of the air, ##\rho## is the density of the pendulum.

2. The attempt at a solution

I manage to get the ##1 + \frac{\varphi_0^2}{8})## from the Taylor development of ##T(\varphi_0)## and taking the approximation ##\sin \varphi \approx \varphi##.

Then I thought I was going to derive the buoyancy effect pretty easily from the torque, but that's what I get:

##\tau = m g l_r \sin \varphi - l_r \rho_L V g \sin \varphi = I \ddot{\varphi}##
##\implies \ddot{\varphi} - \frac{l_r g (m - \rho_L V)}{I} \varphi = 0##
##\implies T^2 = (2 \pi)^2 \frac{I}{l_r g (m - \rho_L V)}##
##\implies g = (\frac{2 \pi}{T})^2 \frac{I}{l_r (m - \rho_L V)}##
##= (\frac{2 \pi}{T})^2 \frac{m l_r^2}{l_r (m - \rho_L V)}##
##= (\frac{2 \pi}{T})^2 l_r \frac{\rho}{\rho - \rho_L}##

Mmm... That's not too far but not quite it! I've been thinking a lot about it now, and I don't get why it's not working. Does anyone have an idea? (Note that the Taylor development is added by putting ##T(\varphi_0)## inside the equation)

Thanks a lot in advance for your answers!Julien.
 
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JulienB said:
##= (\frac{2 \pi}{T})^2 l_r \frac{\rho}{\rho - \rho_L}##

Mmm... That's not too far but not quite it! I've been thinking a lot about it now, and I don't get why it's not working. Does anyone have an idea?

Can you expand ##\frac{\rho}{\rho - \rho_L}## to first order in a small quantity?
 
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@TSny Hi and thanks for your answer. There is no other indication than what I have written. The problem with expansion is also that I get an extra ##+1##...

Julien.
 
You should have something proportional to ##(1+\frac{ \varphi_0^2}{ 8})(\frac{\rho}{\rho - \rho_L})##. As you say, if you expand the second quantity to first order, the second quantity will be of the form 1 + ε, where ε is a small quantity. But, you can then multiply the whole thing out and keep only terms up to first order in small quantities.
 
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@TSny I see. Thanks for your answer, our teacher explained something similar today.Julien.
 

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