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Bush V Castro

  1. Nov 18, 2005 #1
    It is reality that one if these men dedicated their lives to better society. Dictator or the elected. Who won? Who gave us something positive to remember? Who resides in a capital with the least child mortality? Washington or Havana
    The answer is that George and Washington has the worst record. Who has won and who will win?
    Cuba, with all its failings is better than a unelected idiot who does not care of the children!
     
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  4. Nov 18, 2005 #3

    Pengwuino

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    Well I wouldn't say Castro doesn't care about the children...
     
  5. Nov 18, 2005 #4
    I know you were not. I was talking of Bush
     
  6. Nov 18, 2005 #5

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    Cuban propoganda at its finest. Open your eyes next time.
     
  7. Nov 18, 2005 #6
    open your eyes. Castro for all his failings has dealt in priorities. Long live priority.
     
  8. Nov 18, 2005 #7
    You mean murder and manslaughter? Because then I would agree 'coz it is one of his priorities. Castro is a dirty dictator who has killed Cuba. Bush is bad but inspite of all his failings, to say Castro is better than Bush is just idiotic.
     
  9. Nov 25, 2005 #8
    Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez have done more for their people than Bush ever did. Cuba, Venezuela and other places in the Americas were all victims of European colonialism and imperialism.
     
  10. Nov 25, 2005 #9

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    Yet, for some reason, loads of Cubans try to get to the US each year...on boats, rafts, dinghies, tethered automobile tires and really anything that will float... knowing fully well that they'll probably drown before they get very far, or more likely, get caught by the Cuban coastguard and have to spend the rest of their lives in jail.

    Ungrateful wretches, eh ?
     
  11. Nov 25, 2005 #10
    You're both making the false assumption that one of them has to be better than the other. Castro and Bush are both proponents of a corrupt institution imposed on the will of the people. They're both statists, it doesn't matter which one is "better", it only matters that they're both evil bastards.
     
  12. Nov 25, 2005 #11
    the ones caught spend far less time in jail 6 months to 3 years max
    and now the USA send most back as not TRUE political but econonmic
    refugees
    nobody ever went to jail for life for rafting out
    BTW I live in Miami Fl

    and as most of centrial and south america is doing the same
    [ by less extream tranport]
    just how does this make Cuba a special case?

    we need border control BADDLY the time for open borders is OVER

    btw2 costs of this mess are many
    inc the main support of cuba
    is now coming from miami in payments from our cubans
    to their people back on the island
    draining much cash from our city
    add in the 100,00's of others doing the same to every country south of us
    and the amounts leaving our local econ is staggering
    makeing Miami the poorest major city in the USA
     
  13. Nov 25, 2005 #12
    But Cuba was much worse before Fidel Castro. It was a racist apartheid. Now their socialist economy is starting to improve.
     
  14. Nov 25, 2005 #13
    Well said.

    They are also both victims/products of failed systems.
     
  15. Nov 25, 2005 #14
    Having said that, I think that we (people with political opinions) can learn valuable lessons from both of them, and we shouldn't completely ignore the one we dislike the most.
     
  16. Nov 25, 2005 #15
    There will never be absolute fairness i think. It's because freedom and equality are often in conflict with one another.
     
  17. Nov 25, 2005 #16
    I agree.

    So what is important is to judge what is working and what is not.

    It is not fair or just to infringe on freedom, nor is it fair or just to deny equality.

    Therefore what must be done is to encourage those with the most freedom to work for greater equality. Governments sould use incentive instead of forced redistribution.

    Castro used force to impose his vision on Cuba.

    Bush has no real vision so he is implementing that of the strong and influential people he associates with, people who happen to be very self interested.
     
  18. Nov 25, 2005 #17

    Gokul43201

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    Equality of what ? Status or opportunity ?
     
  19. Nov 26, 2005 #18
    is there a difference?
     
  20. Nov 26, 2005 #19
    utter nonsense. freedom and equality are synonymous. there is no conflict, there never was.
     
  21. Nov 26, 2005 #20
    eh? So if everyone is free, then everyone will be equal?
    This is in contridiction with Evolution.. The strongest, fittest and most well adapted survive..

    So in a nongovermental raw animal situation like for example in the perhistoric man situation would you say everyone was equal although they were totally free from any outside influences that we today have? I would say nope
     
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