Calc II Integral Homework: Solve 1/(x^2sqrt(25-x^2))

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of the function 1/(x^2√(25-x^2)), which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically integral calculus. Participants are attempting to understand the discrepancies in their results when comparing their solutions to those generated by Wolfram Alpha.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants describe their attempts at solving the integral using trigonometric substitutions and express confusion regarding the presence of an additional term in their results. There are questions about the correctness of their setup and substitutions, particularly regarding the placement of the radical in the integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on checking the setup of the integral and the substitutions used. There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the integral's structure, leading to varied results. The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying their approaches and seeking further understanding.

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Participants note that there may be confusion stemming from the formatting of the integral and the specific substitutions made. There is also mention of the need for careful attention to detail in the setup of trigonometric identities and substitutions.

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Homework Statement



http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+%281%2F%28%28x^2%29sqrt%2825-%28x^2%29%29%29

The Attempt at a Solution



Alright, so I attempted this integral and checked my answer on wolfram and my answer was the same except for a -sin(^-1)(x/5) tagging along in mine. I can't figure out why that shouldn't be there.

Here's what I did:

1) Factored a 5 out of the root, so the problem then looked like:

(1/5)∫(1/((x^2)(sqrt(1-(x/5)^2)))

2) Set up trig substitutions:

sec(t)=sqrt(1-(x/5)^2)
x=5sin(t)
dx=5cos(t)

3) Do the substitution

(1/5)∫(5cos(t)/(25(sin(t)^2)sec(t)))dt

*cancel 5s, pull 25 out, replace sec(t) with 1/cos(t) yields:

(1/25)∫(cos(t)^2)/(sin(t)^2)dt

4) Replace cos(t)^2 with 1-sin(t)^2 and break up the fraction to get:

(1/25)∫((csc(t)^2)-1)dt

5) Integrate that, yielding:

(1/25)(-cot(t) - t)

Now, substituting the x's back in for t gives the answer on wolfram plus -(sin(x/5)^-1) which comes from solving for t using trig.

Did I screw something up to give me the -t at the end? I know I haven't done these in a while but I can't figure out where I went wrong.

Thanks!
 
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Look more closely, you didn't put the integral into Wolfram correctly. Wolfram has the radical in the denominator, whereas you have it in the numerator. Two different integrals.

I got what you got, by the way.
 
Sorgen said:

Homework Statement



http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+%281%2F%28%28x^2%29sqrt%2825-%28x^2%29%29%29
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+%281%2F%28%28x^2%29sqrt%2825-%28x^2%29%29%29%29

The Attempt at a Solution



Alright, so I attempted this integral and checked my answer on wolfram and my answer was the same except for a -sin(^-1)(x/5) tagging along in mine. I can't figure out why that shouldn't be there.

Here's what I did:

1) Factored a 5 out of the root, so the problem then looked like:

(1/5)∫(1/((x^2)(sqrt(1-(x/5)^2)))

2) Set up trig substitutions:

sec(t)=sqrt(1-(x/5)^2) This should be cos(t)=sqrt(1-(x/5)^2), if you keep it in the denominator.
x=5sin(t)
dx=5cos(t)

3) Do the substitution

(1/5)∫(5cos(t)/(25(sin(t)^2)sec(t)))dt

*cancel 5s, pull 25 out, replace sec(t) with 1/cos(t) yields:

(1/25)∫(cos(t)^2)/(sin(t)^2)dt

4) Replace cos(t)^2 with 1-sin(t)^2 and break up the fraction to get:

(1/25)∫((csc(t)^2)-1)dt

5) Integrate that, yielding:

(1/25)(-cot(t) - t)

Now, substituting the x's back in for t gives the answer on wolfram plus -(sin(x/5)^-1) which comes from solving for t using trig.

Did I screw something up to give me the -t at the end? I know I haven't done these in a while but I can't figure out where I went wrong.

Thanks!
See correction in Red.

B.T.W.: Did you have WolframAlpha show you the steps ?
 
Ack, never mind what I said. I thought the integral was supposed to be this:

\int\frac{1}{x^2}\sqrt{1-\frac{x^2}{5^2}}dx

In that case you do get the arcsin term. I got a little cross-eyed with all those parentheses.
 
SammyS said:
See correction in Red.

B.T.W.: Did you have WolframAlpha show you the steps ?

bleh thanks (managed to miss that even with drawing a picture triangle). I looked at the steps in wolfram after I solved but didn't notice that our root substitutions were different.

Thanks also Tom, and sorry about all the parentheses. I'm bad with latex. Next time I'll just scan in the sheet.
 

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