Calculate Change in Volume of Seawater at 10.9 km Depth

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in volume of seawater at a depth of 10.9 km in the Challenger Deep, where the pressure is approximately 1.16 x 10^8 Pa. Participants clarify the use of the bulk modulus and its relationship to compressibility, correcting initial misunderstandings about the equations involved. The correct formula for calculating the change in volume, incorporating the given bulk modulus and pressure change, is confirmed to be ΔV = -kΔpV. The final calculation yields a change in volume of approximately -0.0531 m³, indicating a reduction in volume due to the high pressure at that depth. The discussion emphasizes the importance of accurately applying physical principles to solve the problem.
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Homework Statement



In the Challenger Deep of the Marianas Trench, the depth of seawater is 10.9 km and the pressure is 1.16\times10^8 Pa (about 1.15\times10^3 atm).

If a cubic meter of water is taken from the surface to this depth, what is the change in its volume? (Normal atmospheric pressure is about 1.0\times10^5 Pa. Assume that for seawater k is 45.8\times10^{-11}/Pa.)

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I assumed that \rho_0V_0=\rho V, but that is not true. So, I don't know what to do.

The Attempt at a Solution



The above was my attempt, resulting in a change in volume of 0.091 m3, which didn't work.
 
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They give you the bulk modulus k for the water and the change in pressure and the volume, don't they? So ...
 
LowlyPion said:
They give you the bulk modulus k for the water and the change in pressure and the volume, so ...

K=-V\delta\rho/\delta V\rightarrow\Delta V=-V\Delta\rho/k?
 
asleight said:
K=-V\delta\rho/\delta V\rightarrow\Delta V=-V\Delta\rho/k?

Sorry. I think I misspoke. I think k is the compressibility, which is the reciprocal of the bulk modulus.
 
LowlyPion said:
Sorry. I think I misspoke. I think k is the compressibility, which is the reciprocal of the bulk modulus.

That sounds better.
 
I got a \Delta V > V...
 
asleight said:
I got a \Delta V > V...

I don't think so.

\Delta v = \Delta p*v*k = (1.15*10^3 Pa)*(1 m^3)*(45.8*10^{-11} /Pa)
 
LowlyPion said:
I don't think so.

\Delta v = \Delta p*v*k = (1.15*10^3 Pa)*(1 m^3)*(45.8*10^{-11} /Pa)

Something's wrong... I've solved and got -5.3\times10^{-2}. It's completely wrong.
 
asleight said:
Something's wrong... I've solved and got -5.3\times10^{-2}. It's completely wrong.

That's what I get. And that seems about right at about 5% smaller. (Ignore the typo from the earlier equation, I just wrote in the value I scanned from the problem and switched the atm and Pa values.)
 
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LowlyPion said:
That's what I get. And that seems about right at about 5% smaller. (Ignore the typo from the earlier equation, I just wrote in the value I scanned from the problem and switched the atm and Pa values.)

\Delta V=-k\Delta pV=-\frac{4.58\times10^{-11}}{Pa}\frac{1.16\times10^8 Pa-1.0\times10^5 Pa}{1}\frac{1m^3}{1}=-0.00531m^2 right?
 
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asleight said:
\Delta V=-k\Delta pV=-\frac{4.58\times10^{-11}}{Pa}\frac{1.16\times10^8 Pa-1.0\times10^5 Pa}{1}\frac{1m^3}{1}=-0.00531m^2 right?

I think it's 45.8 not 4.58

\Delta V=-k*\Delta p*V = -(\frac{45.8\times10^{-11}}{Pa})*(\frac{1.16\times10^8 Pa-1.0\times10^5 Pa}{ })*(\frac{1m^3}{ }) = -0.0531m^3
 
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