Calculate Damping Coefficient of 50.0g Egg

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To calculate the damping coefficient for a 50.0-g egg oscillating on a spring, the discussion revolves around applying Newton's second law and solving the differential equation for damped motion. Participants clarify the correct form of the equation, emphasizing the need for an exponential decay function to represent the amplitude over time. The initial conditions, including displacement and velocity, are crucial for determining constants in the solution. The method to find the damping coefficient involves using the amplitude decrease over time to derive the damping factor. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately applying mathematical principles to solve the problem effectively.
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A 50.0-g hard-boiled egg moves on the end of a spring with force constant . It is released with an amplitude 0.300 m. A damping force acts on the egg. After it oscillates for 5.00 s, the amplitude of the motion has decreased to 0.100 m.Calculate the magnitude of the damping coefficient . Express the magnitude of the damping coefficient numerically in kilograms per second, to three significant figures

pls who can help me?
thanx
 
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How should Newton's 2.law of motion look like?
 
i think it is:
-kx-bv=ma
 
That's correct!
Now, what type of solutions have you learned that this differential equation has?
 
See it as

-kx - b \frac{dx}{dt} = m\frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}
 
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You're right, thanks alridno :smile:
 
v= dx/dt and a= d^2/dt^2
 
but what is the answer of d^2/dt^2 then?
 
mlee:
Any progress at what sort of solutions your equation has?
 
  • #10
uh not really...;(
 
  • #11
Now, I'd like you try a solution of the form:
x(t)=Ae^{rt} (A and r constants)
What condition must be placed on "r" in order for this to be a solution.
Please post your work.
 
  • #12
Asin(wt)+Bcos (wt)
 
  • #13
mlee said:
Asin(wt)+Bcos (wt)
This is a solution of an UNDAMPED, harmonic oscillator.
Your oscillator is NOT undamped; try my approach, and post your work.
 
  • #14
Ae-bt/2mCos(ω't + φ)
 
  • #15
Ae^(bt/2m)*cos(w't+φ)
 
  • #16
You lack a minus sign in your exponential!
Now, knowing
a) The initial displacement
and
b)That the initial velocity is zero
How can you determine A,\phi

Besides, what is your value of "w"?
 
  • #17
ω = sqrt(k/m)
ω' = √((k/m) - (b²/4m²))
 
  • #18
Now, so how does your initial conditions determine A,\phi?
 
  • #19
i don't know how to find phi
 
  • #20
and w' = 5*10^2-(b^2/1*10^-2)
is that right?
 
  • #21
Now, initially we have:
A\cos\phi=A_{0}
where A_{0} is the initial displacement.
In order to find the position, we differentiate:
\frac{dx}{dt}=Ae^{-\frac{bt}{2m}}(-w'\sin(w't+\phi)-\frac{b}{2m}\cos(w't+\phi))
Hence, for t=0, we must have:
0=A(-w'\sin(\phi)-\frac{b}{2m}\cos(\phi))
 
  • #22
Furthermore, in order to solve the problem, remember that:
Ae^{\frac{-bt}{2m}} is the AMPLITUDE as a function of time..
 
  • #23
cos phi is 0.333?
is that right?
 
  • #24
You get the equations:
A\cos\phi=A_{0}
and
tan\phi=-\frac{b}{2mw'}
 
  • #25
b is unknown
 
  • #26
You're right!
While I have a method to determine 'b', I don't think this is what has been intended.
I think that it has been assumed (incorrectly!) that the amplitude function is:
A_{0}e^{\frac{-bt}{2m}}
where A_{0},m are known quantities.
Hence, it is simple to determine 'b' from this.
(Just plug in the proper t-value and set your amplitude equal to the given value)
I think this has been the intention; the equation you may derive for 'b' is not easy to solve.
 
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