Calculate flux in a ferrite bead on a wire

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic flux in a ferrite bead surrounding a wire carrying a constant current. It explores the application of Ampère's law and the implications of the ferrite bead's geometry on the inductance of the wire-bead system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the magnetic field component generated by the current using Ampère's law and proposes a method for calculating the magnetic flux through the ferrite bead.
  • Another participant suggests that the inductance of the wire and bead combination is significant due to the high permeability of the ferrite, implying that it dominates the inductance calculation.
  • A different participant comments on the thickness of the ferrite bead, indicating a potential misunderstanding or simplification in the previous calculations.
  • One participant points out a need to consider the area perpendicular to the flux when calculating the total flux, suggesting that the initial flux calculation may need to be interpreted as flux per unit axial length of the bead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating the magnetic flux, with some agreeing on the significance of the ferrite's permeability while others challenge the initial flux calculation method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation and calculation of the flux.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the geometry of the ferrite bead and the interpretation of the flux calculation, particularly in relation to the axial length of the bead and the area considered for integration.

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Suppose that a ferrite bead is put around a cable where a constant current I flows, just like in this image.

The coordinate system has the z axis along the cable. Let's evaluate the current through the (x,y) plane: according to the Ampère's law, the only magnetic field component generated by that current is

H_{\phi} = \displaystyle \frac{I}{2 \pi r}

where r is the distance from the origin.
In order to calculate the inductance of the wire with the ferrite bead, the magnetic flux through the ferrite should be calculated first.
The ferrite bead has a as internal radius and b as external radius, so it is present in the (x,y) plane only for a \leq r \leq b. It surrounds the conductor (which has of course a section diameter less than 2a) and the flux of the magnetic field through the ferrite bead should be:

\Phi = \mu_0 \mu_r \displaystyle \frac{I}{2 \pi} \int_a^b \displaystyle \frac{1}{r} dr = \displaystyle \frac{\mu_0 \mu_r I}{2 \pi} \ln \left( \displaystyle \frac{b}{a} \right)

Then the inductance is L = \Phi / I as usual.

My question is: why is the flux calculated in such a way?? Should not be considered all the surface surrounded by the circuit or something similar? (I know, it is a linear cable and I didn't specify that area)
 
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It makes sense to speak of the inductance of the wire/bead combination because the ferrite has a high permeability so its inductance dominates over that of the rest of the wire. Does that address your question?
 
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Thant means the thickness of the ferrite bead is unity
 
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Thanks to both of you. And for @marcusl yes, sure, your observations address my question.
 
I think there's a small slip. You need to integrate the flux through an area at right angles to the flux, so you need to multiply by the axial length of the bead. Alternatively you must interpret your Phi as flux per unit axial length of bead.
 
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