Calculate the charge flowing in the coil if the field is removed

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The discussion focuses on calculating the charge flowing in a coil when the magnetic field is removed. Participants clarify the relationship between current, resistance, and magnetic flux, emphasizing the need to integrate the equations properly without canceling terms incorrectly. The correct magnetic field strength is noted as 0.03 T, not 15 T, which is crucial for accurate calculations. After working through the integration, the final charge calculated is approximately 1.00 mC when considering significant figures. The conversation highlights the importance of careful mathematical handling and understanding of physical concepts in electromagnetism.
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Homework Statement
Calculate the charge flowing in the coil if the magnetic field is removed
Relevant Equations
Faraday's law
Hello

So here is my question

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Not so sure how to approach this question

This is what I have worked out so far which is the magnetic field strength of the solenoid, not sure if this comes in helpful though

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Thanks for any help!
 
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Ignoring the negative sign, start with ##I=\dfrac{1}{R}\dfrac{d\Phi}{dt}##.
Then integrate ##dQ=Idt##.
 
kuruman said:
Ignoring the negative sign, start with ##I=\dfrac{1}{R}\dfrac{d\Phi}{dt}##.
Then integrate ##dQ=Idt##.

I'm not so sure about the integrate part

I know that charge Q is I*t, and I used that expression of I that was used before to sub into the integration step giving me this

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Bolter said:
I'm not so sure about the integrate part
Be sure. Just write it out and see what you get. Q=I*t only if I is constant in time.
 
kuruman said:
Be sure. Just write it out and see what you get. Q=I*t only if I is constant in time.

Ok this is most likely wrong :( but I got this when I write it out

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I know previously that the magnetic field strength is 15 T from using magnetic flux linkage = BA earlier on
 
Yes, you did it wrong. You should know better than to cancel ##t## in the numerator with ##dt## in the denominator. At least you didn't cancel only the ##t##'s and leave the ##d## in the denominator. :oldsmile:.

You didn't do what I asked you to do, namely write out the integral.$$\int dQ=\int Idt=\frac{1}{R}\int\frac{d\Phi}{dt}dt=?$$You know the left hand side integrates to the total charge ##Q##. What does the right hand side integrate to and why?
 
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kuruman said:
Yes, you did it wrong. You should know better than to cancel ##t## in the numerator with ##dt## in the denominator. At least you didn't cancel only the ##t##'s and leave the ##d## in the denominator. :oldsmile:.

You didn't do what I asked you to do, namely write out the integral.$$\int dQ=\int Idt=\frac{1}{R}\int\frac{d\Phi}{dt}dt=?$$You know the left hand side integrates to the total charge ##Q##. What does the right hand side integrate to and why?

So right hand side integrates to this?

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But we aren't given a value of time in the question so how can this help us?
 
You can cancel the two dt's here:

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Also, note that the magnetic field B is given to be .03 T, it is not 15 T.
Φ is "flux", B is "flux density".
 
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TSny said:
You can cancel the two dt's here:

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Also, note that the magnetic field B is given to be .03 T, it is not 15 T.
Φ is "flux", B is "flux density".
Thank you.
 
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TSny said:
You can cancel the two dt's here:

View attachment 257296

Also, note that the magnetic field B is given to be .03 T, it is not 15 T.
Φ is "flux", B is "flux density".

So if the two dt's cancel each other out.

That should mean that the total charge flowing is 1/R * (change of flux)?
 
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TSny said:
You can cancel the two dt's here:

View attachment 257296

Also, note that the magnetic field B is given to be .03 T, it is not 15 T.
Φ is "flux", B is "flux density".

I get 0.996 millicoulombs to be my answer?

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Bolter said:
I get 0.996 millicoulombs to be my answer?
OK. The data is given to 2 significant figures (except for R). What is your answer to 2 significant figures?
 
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TSny said:
OK. The data is given to 2 significant figures (except for R). What is your answer to 2 significant figures?

It would be 1.00 mC to 2 sig figs
 
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Bolter said:
It would be 1.00 mC to 2 sig figs
That's 3 significant figures :oldsmile:
 
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TSny said:
That's 3 significant figures :oldsmile:

Ok so 1.0 mC :doh:, I thought you had to discount the first zero to begin with in 0.996, my mistake
 
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