Calculate the total entropy change of the steam

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total entropy change of 50 kg of steam at 100°C as it condenses and cools to 0°C. The initial attempt yielded an incorrect entropy change of -70 kJ, while the correct value is -368 kJ. The key error identified is the misunderstanding of the integral components; both the heat of vaporization and the cooling of water must be considered separately. The correct approach involves calculating the entropy change for the steam using the heat of vaporization and then integrating the cooling process for the water. Properly applying these principles will yield the accurate total entropy change.
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Homework Statement


You have 50kg of steam at 100C, but no heat source to maintain it in that condition. You also have a heat resevoir at 0C. Suppose you operate a reversible heat engine with this system, so that the steam gradually condenses and cools until it reaches 0C. Calculate the total entropy change of the steam and subsequent water.


Homework Equations


Entropy = integral of dQ/T
Q = mL + mc(delta T)


The Attempt at a Solution


I set Q= ml+mc(delta T) and took the derivative to find dQ in terms of T. I then evaluated the integral between the two temperatures in kelvin, and got -70 kJ. However, the answer is -368 kJ. What am I doing wrong?
 
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a_narain said:

Homework Statement


You have 50kg of steam at 100C, but no heat source to maintain it in that condition. You also have a heat resevoir at 0C. Suppose you operate a reversible heat engine with this system, so that the steam gradually condenses and cools until it reaches 0C. Calculate the total entropy change of the steam and subsequent water.

Homework Equations


Entropy = integral of dQ/T
Q = mL + mc(delta T)

The Attempt at a Solution


I set Q= ml+mc(delta T) and took the derivative to find dQ in terms of T. I then evaluated the integral between the two temperatures in kelvin, and got -70 kJ. However, the answer is -368 kJ. What am I doing wrong?
Why are you taking the derivative? There are two parts to the integral. There is the heat of vaporisation. Then there is the heat flow as the water cools to 0 C.

\Delta S_{steam} = \int dQ/T = mL/T where T = 100C (373K)

\Delta S_{water} = \int_{373}^{273} mcdT/T

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