Calculate the velocity of the transverse wave at any position

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a transverse wave on a hanging string of length l and mass m. Participants are exploring the factors affecting tension in the string and the implications of mass distribution along its length.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the role of the upper part of the string in contributing to the tension experienced by a point on the string. There is a comparison made to a block resting on another block to illustrate the concept of force exertion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning assumptions about tension and equilibrium in the string. Some guidance has been provided regarding the forces acting on a small segment of the string, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of these forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the string's mass and how it affects tension, with specific attention to the distribution of weight along the length of the string. There is an emphasis on understanding the equilibrium of forces acting on segments of the string.

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a string of length l and mass m hangs freely from a fixed point
calculate the velocity of the transverse wave at any position
sol:
mass per unit length is m/l
let there be a point on the string at a distance x from free end
tension at the point=wt of the string per unit length*part of the string
=(m/l)*x*g
and sol continues.

my doubt is why isn't the upper part contributing to the tension?
weight due to upper part must be pushing down the lower part.
 
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If I understand your question correctly, the answer is "You can't push with a string."
 


sir,
the string here has considerable mass.let us consider the part x(as i have mentionedin prob) and l-x separately.why isn't the weight due to upper part pushing down the lower part and contributing to tension?
isnt it just like a block placed over another as in this case it is clear that the upper block exerts some force over the lower?
thanks in advance.
 


OK, let's consider lengths x above and L-x below. Draw a horizontal line on the string at x. The line has thickness dx and the rope at the line has mass dm = dx/L. Mass dm is in equilibrium and at rest. This means that the net force on it is zero. I know that the string of length L-x below dm exerts a force that is down because of its weight. In what direction should the string of length x above dm exert a force so that dm is at rest, down or up?
 

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