Calculating Angle Ratios in Electrostatic Systems

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle ratios in an electrostatic system involving two charged spheres. The original poster presents a problem that includes determining the ratios of angles formed with the vertical when different charges and masses are applied to the spheres.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the forces acting on the spheres, including gravitational, electrostatic, and tension forces. There are questions about the equilibrium of the system and whether the electrostatic forces cancel out, leading to implications for the tension in the strings.

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Some participants have offered insights into the equilibrium condition of the spheres and how forces must balance in both horizontal and vertical directions. There is ongoing exploration of whether the electrostatic forces affect the tension differently due to the varying masses of the spheres.

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Participants are considering the implications of different charge and mass configurations on the angle ratios, and there is a recognition of the need to clarify the roles of the forces involved in the system.

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the below figure make small angles theta1 and theta2 with the vertical.

Figure 21-50
(a) If Q1 = Q, Q2 = 3Q, and m1 = m2 = m, determine the ratio theta1 / theta2.

(b) If Q1 = Q, Q2 = 2Q, and m1 = m, and m2 = 4m, determine the ratio of theta 1 / theta 2.

I don't get the forces that are acting on the spheres. I know there's gravitational, electrostatic, and tensional forces. How do I start the problem?
 

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The number one thing you have to realize is that the balls are in equilibrium, or, the forces in all directions cancel out.

You have weight vectors pointing down, electrostatic force vectors pointing left and right, and Tension vectors pointing up diagonally. The forces have to cancel out, so just make equations in the horizontal and vertical directions, like \sum F_{x}=0 , \sum F_{y}=0.

Hope I helped you out.
 
Don't the electrostatic forces cancel out though since they are the same magnitude and opposite direction?

If that's the case, wouldn't that make tension of the two ropes be the same, and the answer to (a) would just be 1?
 
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anyone got an idea?
 
physicsss said:
Don't the electrostatic forces cancel out though since they are the same magnitude and opposite direction?

If that's the case, wouldn't that make tension of the two ropes be the same, and the answer to (a) would just be 1?

The electrostatic forces are the same magnitude and in opposite directions, but they're acting on two different charges! Each charge is in equilibrium and the electrostatic force is balanced by a component of the tension in the string. The tension in each string is not the same, because of the weight of the balls.
 
But for part a), the weight of the balls are the same.
 

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