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To estimate the average temperature inside a hot-air balloon with a total mass of 500 kg, the discussion centers on applying Archimedes' principle and the ideal gas law. The upward force is equated to the downward force, leading to the equation that balances the mass of the payload and the density of hot air. The user attempts to relate volume and temperature using the ideal gas law but struggles due to the unknown pressure. A suggestion is made to refine the force equation for better accuracy. The conversation highlights the complexities of calculating temperature in this context.
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Homework Statement


Estimate the average temperature inside a hot-air balloon. Assume that the total mass of the unfilled balloon and payload, which we will all call mp is 500kg.


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Archimedes principle, ideal gas law ...


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Okay I'm not really sure how to understand the question, but my guess is that they want the temperature of a balloon which is hanging in the air. In this case it it clear that the upwards force equals the downwards force, i.e.:

(1) Fup = mpg + ρhot-airVg

here V is the volume of the balloon which we would have to estimate ourselves and ρhot-air the density of the hot air.
From archimedes principle we know that the upwards force equals:
(2) FupairVg
So equating (1) and (2) gives:

mpg + ρhot-airVg=ρairVg
\Leftrightarrow
mp + ρhot-airV=ρairV

Now what can I do from here? I tried applying the ideal gas law, as it gives us a connection between V and T, which we want. However that failed, since I'd then have to know the pressure. Is this approach even right?

Kind regards
 
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You wrote,

"Fup = mpg + ρhot-airVg"

I think this might be more accurate?

Fup = - mpg + (ρ_air - ρ_hot-air)Vg
 
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