Calculating Coefficient of Drag: Pressure & Friction Drag

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the coefficient of drag (CD) for pressure and friction drag, exploring various equations and methods for determining CD in different contexts, including wind tunnel measurements and theoretical calculations.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for drag force, FD = 0.5 * ρ * v2 * A * CD, and inquires about other equations for calculating CD.
  • Another participant explains that CD is a ratio comparing the drag of an object to that of a brick with the same frontal dimensions, noting that more streamlined shapes have lower CD values.
  • A participant suggests that measuring CD involves using a wind tunnel to compare the drag of the object with that of a brick, raising questions about how to measure CD for objects like planes or cars where frontal dimensions may be complex.
  • Another reply proposes using CAD models to determine cross-sectional areas for calculating CD, and discusses the possibility of using photographs with a scale for manual measurements.
  • A participant mentions that the drag can be derived from measuring the force on the object at a given wind speed and back-calculating the power required to displace air, while noting potential non-linearities in CD with varying airspeeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and considerations for calculating CD, but there is no consensus on a single approach or equation. The discussion includes differing views on the necessity of measuring CD for a brick and the implications of using wind tunnels versus theoretical calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential complexities in measuring frontal dimensions and the non-linear behavior of CD with changes in airspeed, indicating that assumptions may vary based on the object's design and measurement methods.

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Hi

I know what pressure and friction drag are, I am having a hard time trying to find out how can you calculate the coefficient of drag for them?
I think i have came across an equation for it: F_{D} = .5*ρ*v^{2}*A*C_{D}
where F_{D} is the force of drag, ρ is density, v is velocity, A is the contact area and C_{D} is the coefficient of drag

is there any other equation used to calculate C_{D}?
 
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Cd is the ratio of the drag of the body in question when compared with a brick of the same frontal dimensions. It is a function of the geometry of the object - more streamlined, lower Cd.

A brick* has a Cd of 1 (by definition). A modern car is typically a Cd of ~0.3. A car with a Cd of 0.25 would be one of the more streamlined car bodies (at this current time). An aerofoil shape is ~0.1, or much less, all dependent on the geometry of the object. You can simulate for it, but ultimately you measure it in a wind tunnel.

*(That is to say, the assumption is that you are simply accelerating all the air infront of the moving object up to the same speed as the object passing through it.)

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cmb said:
Cd is the ratio of the drag of the body in question when compared with a brick of the same frontal dimensions.

So for example if you had a double decker bus, you would put that (or a scaled down version of it) in a wind tunnel and get the drag of the body and then get a brick of the same size in the the wind tunnel and get the drag of the body and then get the ratio of them?

how would it be done for a plane or a car when the frontal dimensions are not easily found?
 
I would be guessing, but these days if they wanted the cross-sectional area I presume they'd get a CAD model of the frontal view of the thing, and get the computer to work out the area. If you wanted to do this for yourself you could just take a photo, with a meter rule in the picture to act as a graticule, and count up the squares!

There is no need to measure the Cd of a brick! If you look at your equation, it is simply a calculation based on the kinetic energy of a given amount of displaced air, accelerated to the velocity. To determine the drag, I expect they'd just measure the force on the object at a given wind speed and back-calculate the equivalent 'power' that would be required (force x velocity), which then provides an equivalence to how much air would need to be accelerated (that is, if the air were stationary and pushed out of the way by the moving object).

I expect there are non-linearities of Cd according to the airspeed and the particular nature of the design, but I'm sure if an engineer wants the Cd accurately for some reason then they'd derive it for a given velocity through the air.
 

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