Calculating Electric Field from a Dipole: Is This Equation Accurate?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field at a point from an electric dipole. Participants are examining the accuracy of the equations used and the vector nature of the electric field.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the correct formulation of the electric field equation and discussing the vector components involved. There are attempts to clarify the contributions from the positive and negative charges of the dipole.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the vector nature of the electric field and the importance of accurately summing the contributions from both charges. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct components to consider in the calculations, with some participants reflecting on their understanding and correcting their reasoning.

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There are indications of confusion regarding variable names and the components of the electric field, which may affect clarity in the calculations. Participants are also navigating the guidelines of the forum while discussing their approaches.

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Is this the correct equation to find the electric field at point p from a dipole?
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Hello Novel, :welcome:

You don't want to delete the template; it's very useful for you as well as for us. See the guidelines.

Answer to your question: No. ##\ \vec E\ ## is a vector. What does your E describe, you think ?
 
BvU said:
Hello Novel, :welcome:

You don't want to delete the template; it's very useful for you as well as for us. See the guidelines.

Answer to your question: No. ##\ \vec E\ ## is a vector. What does your E describe, you think ?

Thanks for your reply. I'll make sure to not delete the template next time. I think my E describes the magnitude of the electric field. After calculating the magnitude, I can decide if it's positive or negative. So in this case, E is negative, because E is going down, away from positive and toward negative. Is this right?
 
I'll give you some leeway because you are new here (let's hope I don't get chastized for that).
Also because I think you have a fair idea what you are doing, but you stumble because you are going too fast.

Again, ##\vec E## is a vector. I've drawn the two contributions from the +Q and the -Q in the figure.
There are no other contributions, so the field at P is the sum of these two. The vector sum, that is. Your job to do this vector addition. Andf yes, x/r appears in there (not x/R but x/r; I don't see or know of R in your post. Work accurately :smile:). And yes, it's downwards. Easy exercise, but a good vehicle to learn to work systematically.
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BvU said:
I'll give you some leeway because you are new here (let's hope I don't get chastized for that).
Also because I think you have a fair idea what you are doing, but you stumble because you are going too fast.

Again, ##\vec E## is a vector. I've drawn the two contributions from the +Q and the -Q in the figure.
There are no other contributions, so the field at P is the sum of these two. The vector sum, that is. Your job to do this vector addition. Andf yes, x/r appears in there (not x/R but x/r; I don't see or know of R in your post. Work accurately :smile:). And yes, it's downwards. Easy exercise, but a good vehicle to learn to work systematically.View attachment 105666

I think I understand.

E = kQ/r2 * cos(theta) because the y-components cancel out and we just want to get the x-component. I'll call the horizontal distance d (in a real problem it would be given or I could find it with trig), so cos(theta) = d/r. Therefore E = kQ/r2 * d/r = kQd/r3.
 
novelriver said:
I think I understand.

E = kQ/r2 * cos(theta) because the y-components cancel out and we just want to get the x-component. I'll call the horizontal distance d (in a real problem it would be given or I could find it with trig), so cos(theta) = d/r. Therefore E = kQ/r2 * d/r = kQd/r3.

I just realized my mistake. It's the x-components that cancel, not the y. So E = kQ/r2 * sin(theta) = kQ/r2 * x/r = kQx/r3 and then multiply by 2 because there are two charges acting on P in the same direction. So E = 2kQx/r3.
 
Looks good to me. x and y are a bit confusing here because of the x's in the figure.
 
BvU said:
Looks good to me. x and y are a bit confusing here because of the x's in the figure.

Right, I realized that I should have chose a different variable name than x. Thank you for your help! I appreciate it!
 

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