Calculating equilibrium point of a network of springs

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The discussion revolves around calculating the equilibrium position of a network of springs connected at one end to fixed points in 3D space. Participants explore the theoretical framework for determining the resting position when the fixed points are altered, considering the forces exerted by the springs and the conditions for equilibrium.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the network of springs and seeks a method to calculate the equilibrium position when fixed points are moved.
  • Another participant suggests that the equilibrium condition requires the net force in each direction (x, y, z) to be zero, leading to three simultaneous equations that can be solved for the coordinates of the equilibrium point.
  • A third participant cautions that not all solutions to the equations represent valid equilibrium points, noting that the stability of the equilibrium depends on whether the point corresponds to a minimum of the total potential energy of the system.
  • A later reply raises a concern about determining the force vector of each spring without knowing the equilibrium point, questioning how to solve the equations under these conditions.
  • The same participant mentions developing a simplified solver for their specific case but remains interested in alternative calculation methods without simulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of equilibrium points and the conditions required for stability. There is no consensus on a definitive method for calculating the forces without knowing the equilibrium position.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions about the forces exerted by the springs and the conditions under which equilibrium is achieved. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Hi,

I'm trying to find a way to calculate the resting position of a network of springs that is built as follows: n number of springs with identical k constant, but with different resting lengths are connected together at one end of each spring. The other end of each spring is fixed to some point in 3d space - meaning, that position cannot change by the spring, only the end that is connected to all the other springs can move.
Now, if I move the fixed positions of all/some of the springs, how can I calculate the resting (equilibrium) position in space of the point in which all springs are connected?


Thanks in advance,
Ofer
 
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Consider the "floating point". Each spring yields a force with an x component , a y component, and a z component. If we sum all the x components, we get the net force in the x direction. Likewise for y & z.

For the "floating point" to be in equilibrium, the net force in each direction (x,y,z) should be zero. Therefore we have three equations that we have to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_equations" :

Net force in x direction = 0
Net force in y direction = 0
Net force in z direction = 0

We have three equations and three unknowns (the coordinates of the floating point). Therefore we can solve these equations to get the equilibrium position of the floating point.
 
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Note however that not all solutions are valid equilibrium points.

For example consider the case where the fixed points are distributed on a circle with equal angular spacings. Then if the springs are under tension, the centre of the circle is an equilibrium point. However if the springs are in compression, then the centre point, though a solution to the equations above, is not a valid equilibrium point since it is unstable. What determines whether a solution to the above is a true equilibrium point is whether the point corresponds to a minima of the total potential energy of the system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_total_potential_energy_principle" )
 
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Thanks for the replies!

The basic problem I'm having is: how do I know the force that each spring yields if I don't know the equilibrium point? What I mean is, I know the force's strength, but not it's vector. So how can I solve those equations without knowing the different x,y and z elements of the force?

In the mean time, I've written a simplified spring network solver for this specific case, that seems to solve the issue for my needs. But I'm still interested in knowing if there's a way to calculate that without simulation.

Thanks,
o
 

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