Calculating Flow rate for an oxygen system

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flow rate for an oxygen system that includes a pressurized cylinder, a pressure reducer, and a pipe branching into multiple exits. Participants explore various aspects of the system, including pressure, volume, and pipe dimensions, while considering the implications of their calculations.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating the flow rate and mentions the need for specific values related to the system's components.
  • Another participant questions the generality of the initial inquiry and suggests that the asker should have foundational knowledge before using simulation software like Ansys.
  • A participant emphasizes that the behavior of the system will depend on the regulator's pressure and capacity in relation to the pipe size, requesting further details.
  • One participant provides a basic equation for flow rate conservation at an orifice, referencing mass flow and energy principles.
  • A later reply raises concerns about the implications of oxygen delivery systems in healthcare, particularly during emergencies, highlighting the importance of proper sizing and flow rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the necessary knowledge and considerations for calculating flow rates in oxygen systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specific parameters such as pressure, capacity, and pipe dimensions, which remain undefined in the initial inquiry. There are also concerns about the practical implications of flow rate calculations in critical applications like healthcare.

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flow rate of oxygen through a pipe from a pressurized cylinder to atmospheric pressure
I'm struggling with calculating the flow rate for an oxygen system.
There is a pressurised cylinder.
This then joins onto a pressure reducer.
Then travels down a length of pipe which branches off to 4 exits there is no restrictions on the exits it just goes to atmospheric pressure.

I am yet to find the specific values for each part of the system however, when i find out i will know the pressure in the cylinder, the volume of the cyclinder, the pressure that it is reduced to, the diameter of the pipe, and the length of the pipe.

im only looking for a rough answer to compare to other methods and testing as the system will also be modeled in ansys

any help would be appreciated.
 
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Hello @Fin8034 , :welcome: !

You ask a very general question without being specific about anything relevant. And without telling what you are starting from. If you have no subject knowledge at all, I propose you find a decent textbook. And stay away from Ansys until you know what you are doing (if ansys will be run by someone else, then that is the person to ask your general question on how to get started!).

Are you modelling big flows, small flows or leaking ? Do you know about isothermal and /or adiabatic expansion ? About pressure drop in a pipe system ?
 
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How the system behaves and how you analyze it is going to heavily depend on the pressure and capacity of the regulator relative to the piping size. Can you provide those details?
 
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Flow rate is usually conserved entering and exiting an orifice. At the simplest level ##\dot m = \rho V A## at the entrance and exit. If you use energy: ##\rho g h= .5 \rho v^2## for a simple reservoir and opening.
 
Fin8034 said:
Summary:: flow rate of oxygen through a pipe from a pressurized cylinder to atmospheric pressure

I'm struggling with calculating the flow rate for an oxygen system.
Can you say what application this is for? Or is it a schoolwork exercise?

The design of oxygen delivery systems for healthcare facilities is not something to be done by an inexperienced person who is just learning the ropes. During the recent COVID-19 surges, hospitals have had trouble with ##O_2## delivery systems that were sized for use during normal times, not extreme surge conditions.

There have been instances of hospitals that had to move patients from upper floors into surge facilities on lower floors because the ##O_2## systems could not maintain full flow rate to the upper floors (the tanks are generally near ground level). And there were a couple instances of ##O_2## piping freezing because of too high a flow rate through too much restriction. Bad news when people's lives are on the line...
 
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